Comments on: Abortion Protestors’ Tactics Disgusting, Legal

By: Will D

Will D — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:37:21 +0000

Jim, I think abortion, the ripping off of little arms and legs, is disgusting, not our tactics. I’m curious Jim, at what age is it no longer okay to rip the arms and legs off of little boys and girls?

Of course we wouldn’t want these protests or phone calls at our home, but then again, we’re not enabling America’s number one child-killer either.

By: Rev Spitz

Rev Spitz — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:13:03 +0000

What is disgusting is your support for these babykilling abortinists. Somehow you do not understand that Planned Parenthood murders unborn babies for money. Anyone that stands against these babykillers is doing a good thing.

By: Russ Brown

Russ Brown — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:39:29 +0000

Free speech is one thing, but the protesters mentioned in this article appear to be way over the edge. Perhaps their ideological, immovable stance on the issue of abortion rights makes them feel oh so justified using their disgusting methods.

Keep it up idiot fringe. These methods will definitely result in your being viewed as outcasts by the general public. Ultimately your methods will no doubt work against you and you will be relegated to the ranks of those on the lunatic fringe (if you’re not there already). And there you can be recognized for what you truly are…way over the edge.

By: Jim in Aurora

Jim in Aurora — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:43:59 +0000

These “whackos” are as bad or worse than the “Church Killer” in what they do and how they think and I’d wager that some of them will go too far. The truly sad thing is, they actually think they’re right.
Hopefully they will share a cell with Rudolph.

By: Keith

Keith — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:27:08 +0000

Gosh, aren’t these people swell! And they’re believes are all based on religion too! These same people are the ones that voted for Bush (twice), support the war in Iraq, where soldiers, Iraqis, and kids are getting their “arms and legs” BLOWN off by consequences of their foriegn policy. These are the same people who will plaster the dismemberment of a aborted fetus on a truck for all to see, but scream outrage at a picture showing a woman’s nipple or something non-Christian. They want to save unborned fetust, and protect unfertilized eggs, but promote capital punishment and war. The word “narrow-minded” and “hypocritical” were created for such people.

By: LHKMAN

LHKMAN — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:44:20 +0000

Oh, stick a sock in it! You anti-abortionist whack-jobs are free to believe whatever you wish, but you are not free to impose your definitions and disgusting behavior on other law-abiding people. Sorry to break the news to you, but Planned Parenthood is a legal organization. Some of us do not consider a fetus to be a child, unborn or otherwise. Sometimes, I wish I could be as certain and authoritarian as the so-called right-to-life crowd, but then I get over the vapors and return to normal. I use the term “so-called right-to-life” because most of you parse words and justify the death penalty and the ripping off of arms and legs (as you so delicately put it) by sending our youth to stupid, senseless, unnecessary wars. When you become consistent, let the rest of us know so we may consider what it is you are being consistent about. Let the counter-attacks begin!

By: Will D

Will D — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:31:09 +0000

Have we all forgotten that we believe abortion is murder? If innocent ‘born’ children were going to be slaughtered, and we called someone’s home to ask them not to take part in it, we would be looked at as heroes.

If we need to debate whether or not we are wrong that abortion is murder, fine. But since Jim won’t and since we still believe that abortion is murder, nothing we’ve done is even remotely close to extreme, regarding the issue at hand.

When a female security guard shot at a 24 year old who wanted to kill innocent people, she was regarded as a hero. When we make a phone call or visit someone’s home, asking them to help stop the killing of innocent people, we’re ‘disgusting.’ Does this make sense to anyone else?

By: deardelmar

deardelmar — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:00:19 +0000

What’s the problem with photos of “just tissue”?

By: cdanze

cdanze — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:08:06 +0000

Satan loves abortion, abortionists and all activities that facilitate the killing of innocent people. Why would any decent person
want to help Satan?

By: noidea

noidea — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:34:28 +0000

Abortion is not an easy subject. After having 2 children and watching through ultra sound how early they are developed in the fetus I give this issue much pause. I personally am opposed to it and I am not a religious fanatic. That being said, abortion is legal in out country. People have the right to protest, but not harass. We can take any hot button issue where a group has a position and a some of the fringe extremists will take it to the next level. Look at the WTO meetings in Seattle a few years back, if that wasn’t terrorism I don’t know what is. Not to mention the Columbus day parade here in Denver (I’m not a Columbus supporter, nor Italian) but it seems that there was harassment there. It sounds to me as though this group is crossing the line into the contractor’s life and they need to be stopped. A rational discussion, through the distribution of information, about the development of the fetus will serve them much better. It will also have a more long lasting affect.

The bottom line is the right to protest.

By: Doug Wray

Doug Wray — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:17:31 +0000

Protect children, but support wars started by a lying dry drunk.

THERE’S some moral high ground.

Build megachurches and weasel for tax breaks to build million-dollar-home developments that exclude any affordable housing.

THERE’S some Christ Warriors for you.

Cry about the Taliban indoctrinating children, but refuse to support local schools tax base and run ludicrous outfits like Generation Joshua.

The anti-reproductive rights loons are the American Taliban, complete with bombings and assasinations.

By: Stu Brann

Stu Brann — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:42:18 +0000

I find it interesting that we legally protect those who campaign in favor of illegal abortions, which is what Duffy and his people actually advocate. When abortions are made illegal, the actual number of abortions do not go down. The number of deaths go up, as the desparate, victimized women who ned abortions have them done via the coathanger backalley clinic method. There are accurate statistics from reliable organizations documenting this.

By: Brandon A

Brandon A — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 03:35:56 +0000

“Family planning?” What a load! These places are murder motels, where a woman pays money to stay in a room for a few hours, in order to kill a living being. It’s disgusting and degenerate!

And while I don’t support vigilante action, such as murdering a murderer, murderers still deserve to die. And the government should be executing people who perform, or get, abortions. Not funding them.

And I know a few of the people who are protesting the Weitz corporation. They don’t advocate murder, in any sense. So the murderer can stop being afraid. If he wants something to be afraid of, he should fear God. For on the day of judgment, he will face God’s wrath for all of the innocent blood he has had a hand in spilling by building this abomination.

By: King David

King David — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:05:49 +0000

Hey Jim, What is your financial relationship with Planned Parenthood? You must have some emotional or financial investment in abortion to do such a shallow puff piece for the largest baby killing business in the world.

I have met hundreds of pro-lifers and they all condemn all abortion related violence. These people that kill abortionists are not pro-life!

Here are a few interesting links that bring a bit of balance to your one sided blog;

http://www.momys.com/A%20Fact.htm

http://blackgenocide.org/home.html

http://www.abortionno.org/

And here is a logical point by point argument against abortion;

http://jfaweb.org/exhibit.html

Jim, at what point would you say it is wrong to rip a baby to pieces or burn them to death in a saline solution or stab the back of their heads and suck the brains out?

How old does the baby need to be and why would that be the time the baby should be protected?

Note to LHKboy; just because something is legal doesn’t make it right. If you lived 100 years ago would you have supported the ownership of blacks because it is legal?

By: noidea

noidea — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:03:44 +0000

I meant to say how early in the womb the fetus is developed gives me much pause…..anybody who disregards this fact needs to look at the science…Science is the key. Reproductive rights are important. The key is when the reproctive rights end and life begins. That to me, is a difficult question. Science.

By: Will D

Will D — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:18:30 +0000

LHKMAN said, “Sorry to break the news to you, but Planned Parenthood is a legal organization.”

Slavery was legal in this country as well, so what’s your point? Legality, as history shows, doesn’t determine morality.

Here’s 2 questions you and Jim won’t answer.
1.At what age is it no longer okay to rip the arms and legs off of little boys and girls?
2.Where do women’s rights come from?

BTW, I justify the death penalty because I don’t have the problem of distinguishing the difference between the innocent and the guilty, something liberals have such a hard time doing.

By: Pastor Adam Briggs

Pastor Adam Briggs — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:15:52 +0000

I can only assume that the Weitz Co. owners and the subcontractors and their neighbors don’t watch television or movies at home. There are gruesome images of dead or injured people portrayed in all types of TV shows and movies, and I’m sure they wouldn’t want their children to watch that.

Like deardelmar said, if it’s just a blob of tissue, then what’s all the fuss for? After 9/11, the papers and TV showed horrible images of victims of the WTC attacks, and very few people squawked about it then.

No Jim, the bottom line is not the right to protest, it’s to spread the truth that killing children is not OK anywhere or anytime.

By: Grant

Grant — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:52:47 +0000

It’s great how Americans can put so much pressure on their own legal system and still remain on the right side of that law.

It’s possibly unfortunate that innocent people might be inconvenienced, but I wouldn’t have thought such a concern worthy of more than a couple of words.

Some seem to be able to make an entire blog out of it though…

By: freedom of choice

freedom of choice — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:47:55 +0000

Wow Will! Unbeknownst to you, you just subconsciously revealed the real force behind your fanatical behavior. “We would be looked at as heros.” Sounds like the inner child has spoken. I bet you were one of those people thru middle school and high school that wanted SO desperately to be the most poplular, wanted all the girls to like you, and OBVIOUSLY wanted to be noticed. And now as a 24 year old “boy” you’ve decided to lash out at people because you were not given the attention that you FEEL you deserved, and SO desperately wanted. The real reason you are doing this to people is not for the sake of children, BUT SO YOU CAN FEEL LIKE A HERO. Hmmm! Sounds like you all have one underlying common insecurity, and that is to feed an ego that obviously was not fed they way you hoped it would be when you were young…actually your actions prove that you are young. Interestingly enough, last Sunday our state just endured a tragedy with these church shootings. Wouldn’t you people focus your prayers on the families of those that lost a loved one, instead you entice other people to call, and go to peoples homes and harass them? And you people consider yourselves good christians? This is rather hypocritical behavior. One item that stands out to me when I read this article, is the fact that the neighbors are being supportive for all these people that you choose to harass. Leviticus 19:18 “Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. I am the LORD.” Matthew 22:35-40 “Then one of them which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” I have quite a few friends and colleagues that are pro-life, I respect their opinon and they respect mine, but even they are appalled at the actions that you people are taking. ALL of them,and I mean all of them, shake their heads, and have a look of disappointment on their faces, because as good christians they know that what you fanatics are doing is causing more harm than good.

By: King David

King David — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:17:09 +0000

If I was building a death camp in Germany 70 years ago, I would hope that pro-lifers would come to my house to try to convince and prevent me or my family from helping to build the death camp. It would be uncomfortable for us, but in the end we would be so thankful that someone came and had the guts and the love for us to tell us the truth.

Loving your neighbor means more than just being apathetic when they are being colluding with baby killers.

By: King David

King David — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:23:22 +0000

Stu Brann, You are repeating a common misconception. This quote the founder of NARAL may help you to see the truth;

In his classic 1979 book Aborting America, Dr. Nathanson wrote, “How many deaths were we talking about when abortion was illegal? In NARAL, we generally emphasized the frame of the individual case, not the mass statistics, but when we spoke of the latter it was always 5,000 to 10,000 deaths a year. I confess that I knew that the figures were totally false and I suppose that others did too if they stopped to think of it. But in the ‘morality’ of our revolution, it was a useful figure, widely accepted, so why go out of our way to correct it with honest statistics? The overriding concern was to get the laws eliminated, and anything within reason that had to be done was permissible.”
–Dr. Bernard Nathanson, former director of the National Association for the Repeal of Abortion Laws (now known as the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League - - NARAL).

He said 5 to 10 Thousand murders a year was a lie. And we are snuffing out nearly a million kids a year now. It’s something to think about.

By: King David

King David — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:26:38 +0000

“Abortion kills the life of a baby after it has begun.”
–Planned Parenthood “Plan Your Children for Health and Happiness” Pamphlet, 1963

By: Grant

Grant — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:46:48 +0000

What’s wrong with wanting to be a hero?

By: Wildflower

Wildflower — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:00:13 +0000

cdanze, satan must absolutely love George Bush and Dick Cheney then.

By: Wildflower

Wildflower — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:32:57 +0000

Interesting isn’t it that all the vehement anti-abortionists commenting on this site seem to be men…But I guess that’s the way the Taliban functions..
It could just be that the “voices” they are hearing from God are because they suffer from schizophrenia.
The God I know is a God of love and kindness, why would anyone want to worship a god of hate and punishment?

By: Will D

Will D — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:29:51 +0000

Stu Brann said, “I find it interesting that we legally protect those who campaign in favor of illegal abortions, which is what Duffy and his people actually advocate. When abortions are made illegal, the actual number of abortions do not go down. The number of deaths go up, as the desparate, victimized women who ned abortions have them done via the coathanger backalley clinic method. There are accurate statistics from reliable organizations documenting this.”

Stu, this is faulty logic. What about all the women who die or are victims of illegal rape? Maybe we should legalize rape and regulate it to protect all the women who are raped by the “back alley” method. America has lost the ability to think…

By: Will D

Will D — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:33:04 +0000

freedom of choice,

I’m not in this to be a hero and never sad anything remotely close to that. The reason I joined the fight against abortion is because I’m a man. Any real man has an innate desire to protect women and children, the two victims of abortion. Maybe you should do the same.

By: LHKMAN

LHKMAN — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:33:55 +0000

Well, I said let the counter-attacks begin, and they did. One thing is for sure. The anti-abortion crowd is absolutely certain. They may not understand anything, but they are absolutely certain that they are right. And, they demonstrate in post after post that they are incapable of rational discourse. As long as you whack-jobs insist on haranguing, you can expect other to reply in kind. As for the particularly stupid question by “Will D”, asking when is it alright to rip arms and legs off of little children: 1) in my belief system, whether you like it or not, they are not little children until they leave the womb and draw air. At that point, it is not only wrong, but illegal to rip off arms and legs. 2) you duck the question, Will D, but is it alright to rip off the arms and legs of “children” by sending them to a senseless, unnecessary, pre-emptive war? I didn’t see your reply to that one.

The simple fact that this subject cannot be discussed in rational terms without hurling invective back and forth (and I plead equally guilty), is perhaps the best demonstration that it is an issue that just doesn’t belong in the public domain of civil discourse. Go to your churches and believe whatever you choose to believe, but do not try to impose your beliefs on others, particularly not on me.

By: Will D

Will D — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:34:08 +0000

2 questions pro-choicers and Jim Spencer can’t answer:

1. At what age is it no longer okay to rip the arms and legs off of little boys and girls?

2. Where do women’s rights come from?

By: Brandon A

Brandon A — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:46:02 +0000

Hey, freedom of choice-
How would you know what would make a Christian a hypocrite? You don’t even know what makes someone a Christian. When you finally stand before God, He’s going to take your self-righteous judgmental attitude and shove it down your throat.

By: usersuz

usersuz — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:34:54 +0000

Focus on the Fetus only calls them “children” and “babies” because they can’t inflame public opinion over fetuses. They try to paint women who get abortions as victims because they view women as mentally inferior and want to enshrine that position into law by denying them the legal ability to control their reproductive futures. They call it an abortion “industry” and accuse doctors of making massive income from surgical abortions - which are becoming rarer all the time now that we have abortifacients on the market. Not a damn one of them has a background in or curiosity about the biology of human beings that dictates between 40% and 80% of all fertilized and implanted eggs will spontaneously abort. How could God allow such a thing? What happens to their little souls? Should we hold a funeral every time a woman has her period? Could it be that these nut cases are just trying to defend the right of the successful sperm to gestate? they seem to find everything that goes on inside a woman somewhat disgusting (clearly a portion of the world that needs to be controlled, purified and - owned. By them.) To the subcontractor being harassed by these birds: see if your neighbors will occupy all the available parking spaces in front of your house. And make sure each member of your family has pepper spray and knows how to use it.

By: Brian E

Brian E — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:23:04 +0000

Wow freedom of choice! It seems apparent that you have something against heroes…

Let me ask you crazy libs 2 q’s:

Is the fertilized egg
a) living
b) dead
c) I don’t know

Is the species
a) Human
b) dog
c) I don’t know

If you answered correctly, congrats! You now have no excuse to be anti-life. If you answered wrong, you most certainly went to public school.

-B

By: Dani

Dani — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:57:21 +0000

Question for Jim:

Which is more disgusting - The “tactics” of the pro-life protestors who display huge graphic bloody images of aborted babies, or the “tactics” in which the abortionists brutally dismember and slaughter the unborn babies?

By: Curtis K

Curtis K — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:18:53 +0000

Jim Spencer wrote: “There is no benefit. But then, few people can see how this kind of fanatical behavior does much except win you a reputation for low-grade terrorism.”

None can see how this kind of post does much except win Jim a reputation for low-grade journalism, maybe.

By: Wildflower

Wildflower — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:30:45 +0000

King David please read the last paragraph of your 10:05 P.M. post, referring to 100 years ago. You made your own point, IT’S NOT 100 YEARS AGO. Women don’t have to have 15 kids and die in childbirth anymore to make you feel like a real man.
For God’s sake, put your money where your mouth is,put your energy into helping save the already born kids who are living a life of living hell (no pun intended)with substance-abusing parents. It’s strange God calls you to help a fertilized egg, but not a suffering child.
Maybe you didn’t quite hear the voice right.

By: freedom of choice

freedom of choice — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:50:10 +0000

By: King David

King David — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:04:52 +0000

LHKMAN,
I thought my posts were respectful and rational. It seems you are trying to divert the discussion to the war in Iraq. If you are able, I would like to see your point by point reasons that we (and me in particular) are wrong.

By: King David

King David — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:14:39 +0000

Useruz,
You are making a lot of wild accusations, most of which are not true.

I’ll pick two of your accusations to address;
1. You say it’s not an “abortion industry.”
You are correct that the #’s have gone down, however, back a few years ago an abortionist who had killed over 75,000 kids said this;

“Simple arithmetic at $300 a time, 1.55 million abortions means an industry generating $500,000,000 annually, of which most goes into the pocket of the physician doing the abortion.”

-CONFESSION OF AN EX-ABORTIONIST

By Dr. Bernard Nathanson

The other point you made was that we find the things that go on inside a woman to be disgusting. That is not true. We only find those things disgusting when they involve tearing apart an innocent little child until the kid is dead. That is disgusting;

In testimony Wednesday in St. Louis Circuit Court, [abortionist] Crist said that it is not uncommon for second-trimester fetuses to leave the womb feet-first, intact and with their hearts still beating. He sometimes crushes their skulls to get the fetuses out. Other times, he dismembers them.
–Jo Mannies, “Abortion Doctor Gives Graphic testimony Describing Abortion Procedure,” St. Louis Post-Dispatch, May 25, 2000.)

By: Grant

Grant — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:53:22 +0000

Hi, freedom of choice. It seems it is you that knows the deepest intentions of one Will D rather than Will himself. I’m certain that is wrong, but you seem so sure of yourself.

A person who saves a child is a hero regardless of their intention to be a hero or not.

By: Grady Coker

Grady Coker — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:09:48 +0000

We live in a society where there is no right or wrong–only what is legal. It is legal to kill a developing human but a felony to take a chicken (gamecock)over state lines.

By: Ilovelife

Ilovelife — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:22:36 +0000

First of all, I do not believe in abortion. However, if a woman is raped, she should not have to pay the penalty of the guilty man. You “people” that are harassing “subcontractor” are MONSTERS. You are “Christians gone bad”, Hypocrits, and Child Molesters. I call you Child Molesters because as was stated by “subcontractor”, the “Hate Truck” (I prefer that to “Truth Truck”), which parks a few feet from a schoolbus stop, is molesting the minds of children by displaying your disgusting, scary work to the children at the bus stop. I would guess that the Hate Truck appears at peoples homes in the middle of the night because they are too ashamed to appear during daylight. To the “people” that are picketing and harassing: It’s so sad that you are not home earning an honest living, taking care of and showing concern for your families and giving support to truly heroic deeds. I would bet that many of the “harassers” have many children that they are getting financial assistance from welfare and are guilty of child abuse in your homes. You really should spend your time in a more positive, loving way!

By: Russ Brown

Russ Brown — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:23:37 +0000

Those who are asking various other participants in this “discussion” to answer “do you still beat your wife?” style questions remind me of third grade children struggling to tell a joke to their classmates at recess. They make no sense really.

When a person relies solely on ideology to determine how he/she should act and think, then that person will tend to oversimplify the answers to life’s deeper questions. Maybe it’s just the easier way out…blind submission to an ideology and it’s dictates rather than exercising one’s god given intellectual skills to help sort out the complex questions life presents to us.

By: Wildflower

Wildflower — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:00:17 +0000

Usersuz brilliant, and wise, as always.

By: LHKMAN

LHKMAN — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:12:21 +0000

King David: You and your so-called pro-life adherents insist on being very selective on when you are pro-life. You defend the death penalty and you defend the war. You use inflammatory language about tearing the arms and legs off little babies. Sorry, “King,” but as I posted earlier, my belief system doesn’t agree with you that anyone is a little baby until it is out of the womb and breathing. I am not trying to move this disgusting debate anywhere but where it already is. I consider you and others to be hypocrites because you are not “pro-life” at all. You are quite willing to take or sacrifice lives when it fits your political creed. At least the Pope, with whom I seldom agree not being Roman Catholic, is consistent. He opposes abortion, the death penalty, and war. I at least can respect him. Go back, King David, and read some of the screeds that have been posted here. If you have rationality in your thought process, I think you will find that most of your adherents in this back-and-forth (I cannot call it a discussion) demonstrate screaming rage and a complete inability or willingness to even think that someone else might have an equally sincere belief that differs from tham. Is that clear enough and polite enough for you?

By: Ilovelife

Ilovelife — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:59:15 +0000

To Will D. and ALL of his “puppets”: Did you ever consider that the Primary purpose of the Planned Parenthood facilities is for women that cannot afford the prohibitive prices for healthcare, ie. annual paps/mammograms/general healthcare/birth control, etc. I would venture to guess that every one of Will’s Puppets have had a mother, daughter, sister, etc. that have needed the assistance from Planned Parenthood facilities.

By: freedom of choice

freedom of choice — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:21:18 +0000

Wildflower, excellent response to King David! Amazing how these nuts don’t even realize how tripped up in their own words and opinions they get. The subconcious mind is quite powerful!
LHKMAN- Well stated friend, well stated!
Grant-
I am sure of myself. What it boils down to is IT IS NOT OKAY TO BULLY AND HARASS PEOPLE, NO MATTER WHAT THEIR BELIEFS OR PRACTICES ARE! If these people were performing ILLEGAL abortions from their homes, that would be one thing and the LAW WOULD TAKE CARE OF IT. But because the MANY subcontractors are doing a JOB, doesn’t make them guilty. That would be like saying all priests and bishops of the Catholic faith are guilty by association of child molesting. Or that all people of Evangelican faith are closet homosexuals, drug abusers, or liars. Which I am certain isn’t the way things work. And no, I do not have an issue with homosexuality. But I do have issue with people that are liars.
God Bless

By: Brandon A

Brandon A — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:26:59 +0000

freedom of choice-
You have no idea how well I know Will D.

By: King David

King David — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:59:30 +0000

By: King David

King David — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:01:16 +0000

Russ,
What is your problem with the ideology that says murder is always wrong?

By: King David

King David — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:06:38 +0000

LHKMan-
This isn’t that complicated.
We should kill the guilty and let the innocent live.
Guilty.
Innocent.
No Hypocricy.

By: King David

King David — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:11:05 +0000

Lovelife- Why are you such a puppet of Planned Barrenhood? Did you ever consider that they make the vast majority of their $$$$$$$ killing kids, not from the numerous other “services” they provide?

By: Will D

Will D — Sun, 16 Dec 2007 08:01:37 +0000

It’s so funny that whenever you talk abortion with the pro-abort crowd, they never want to speak english. “Fetus” leads the way, which is latin for “little one.” Uh, duh. We know what size is it folks. “What” is it?

By: Will D

Will D — Sun, 16 Dec 2007 08:02:06 +0000

LHKMAN said, â€œin my belief system, whether you like it or not, they are not little children until they leave the womb and draw air.â€

Thatâ€™s foolish. But what should I expect from another ignorant pro-abort. Have you heard of a waterbirth? Thatâ€™s where a woman delivers in water. The baby doesnâ€™t drown because it hasnâ€™t drawn air yet. When that baby is in the water, completely separate from its motherâ€™s womb, kicking and moving its arms, is it okay to rip the arms and legs off of that little boy or girl?

By: Will D

Will D — Sun, 16 Dec 2007 08:02:39 +0000

LHKMAN said, â€œGo to your churches and believe whatever you choose to believe, but do not try to impose your beliefs on others, particularly not on me.â€

Even the hardest of criminals knows that there are absolute rights and absolute wrongs. If someone was attempting to kill you, I think you would impose your personal beliefs about murder on them. You hyprocrite.

By: Will D

Will D — Sun, 16 Dec 2007 08:03:09 +0000

LHKMAN said, â€œSorry, â€œKing,â€ but as I posted earlier, my belief system doesnâ€™t agree with you that anyone is a little baby until it is out of the womb and breathing.â€

Two questions you wonâ€™t answer.

1. Is an unborn baby living or dead?
2. What species is it before itâ€™s out of the womb and breathing?

By: Will D

Will D — Sun, 16 Dec 2007 08:04:23 +0000

freedom of choice said, â€œProbably because I know Will D. a little better than you.â€

Youâ€™re so obvious, itâ€™s not even funny. You would have used my last name if this was true. But because I posted as â€œWill D.â€, thatâ€™s all you had to go with. LOL

By: Will D

Will D — Sun, 16 Dec 2007 08:04:56 +0000

Ilovelife said, â€œFirst of all, I do not believe in abortion.â€

Abortion exists whether you believe it or not. It happens 4,000 times a day in this country.

By: Will D

Will D — Sun, 16 Dec 2007 08:05:25 +0000

Ilovelife said, â€œHowever, if a woman is raped, she should not have to pay the penalty of the guilty man.â€

And the innocent child should? Thatâ€™s messed up logic. Liberals say, â€œKill the child and love and understand the rapist.â€ Pro-lifers rightly disagree and say â€œNo, you put the rapist to death and love and nurture the child.â€

By: Will D

Will D — Sun, 16 Dec 2007 08:06:23 +0000

By: Will D

Will D — Sun, 16 Dec 2007 08:07:24 +0000

Ilovelife said, â€œDid you ever consider that the Primary purpose of the Planned Parenthood facilities is for women that cannot afford the prohibitive prices for healthcareâ€

FYI, abortion is not healthcare. Healthcare is when your body is functioning abnormally and a doctor attempts to return your body to normal functioning order. Abortion is exactly the opposite. Abortion is when your body is functioning normal and a butcher rips the little legs and arms off of the unborn baby, making your body function abnormally, putting women at risk for infertility, breast cancer, etc.

By: Will D

Will D — Sun, 16 Dec 2007 08:12:29 +0000

For the record, Jim Spencer turned down a radio debate on the topic of abortion. If anyone here knows of a pro-choicer that’s man enough to debate the topic, please let me know. We can’t find one!

It would air on Colorado’s most powerful radio station, AM670. A 50,000 watt radio station that reaches into 7 neighboring states.

By: Jim Spencer

Jim Spencer — Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:02:48 +0000

Sadly, a medical emergency kept me from monitoring these comments as closely as I should have in the past few days. I apologize for that. You will notice that I have edited and omitted some messages that made specific personal attacks on Will D. I have deleted others before posting. This is not a forum for personal attacks and unprovable accusations of illegal behavior. This is a forum for the discussion of issues. The name calling ends right now. So does the character assassination by everyone on both sides. If this discussion cannot be civil, it will not take place on this site.
Jim Spencer

By: LHKMAN

LHKMAN — Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:41:08 +0000

Great idea, Jim. Too bad you didn’t think of policing your site before the anti-abortion crowd took it over with their raving rants. I recall at least one doctor being shot in his home by an anti-abortion whack job, but I cannot recall any anti-abortion folks being killed by any free-choicers. The anti-abortion people rationalize murder, calling it killing murderers. How convenient a circular argument. Do you think there is any significance in which side believes it can ignore the law except when it suits its purpose? Hmmm?

By: LHKMAN

LHKMAN — Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:43:59 +0000

One other observation, Jim, and it may cause this message not to be posted, either. How come the Will Ds and the King Davids of the world are free to post the most vile, disgusting statements, but those who would engage them manage to get censored?

By: Wildflower

Wildflower — Sun, 16 Dec 2007 23:34:40 +0000

I am concerned by the remark “if anyone knows of a pro-choicer that’s man enough to debate the topic”. Is this meant to be a sexist remark? Does this mean that a woman is incapable of debating a topic that, by rights, is HER topic and not a man’s topic?
But perhaps it is correct that a woman would not wish to debate, because a woman knows this topic has already been settled by a court of law.

By: GODISNOWHERE

GODISNOWHERE — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:16:54 +0000

Jim, you couldn’t resist ending your biased, unresearched, unsubstantiated and unjournalistic article with “…low-grade terrorism.” Oh I guess if Broncos fans are ‘fanatically’ sneering at their opponents with crude and vulgar language they’re not so-called terrorists. Come out from hiding to a protest, you’re officially invited to see the truth. Or, does eating crow bother you as much as the truth of what planned parenthood does to babies not bother you?

By: King David

King David — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 03:16:32 +0000

LHKboy,
I had complete posts deleted too so quit whining.

And as previously stated I and every pro-lifer I have ever known condemn all abortion related violence including the shooting of abortion doctors. If anyone engages in that activity, they are not pro-life but pro-choice. They are in your camp and have just made a bad choice to murder another person. We say no one has the right to kill innocent people.
get it?

By: King David

King David — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 03:22:12 +0000

Hey Wildflower, Are you volunteering to debate abortion on the radio?

I’m sure that Will D will take you up on the offer.

BTW, “man enough” is a common figure of speech in our culture and no sexist motive were involved.

Here is an interesting admission:

“…the abortion-rights folks know it, the anti-abortion folks know it, and so probably, does everyone else. One of the facts of abortion is that women enter abortion clinics to kill their fetuses. It is a form of killing …you’re ending a life.”
–Ron Fitzsimmons, National Coalition of Abortion Providers, New York Times, 26 February 1997

Do you agree with the abortionist that abortion is taking a human life?

By: Will D

Will D — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 05:10:06 +0000

Wildflower,

I apologize about that comment. It was too emotional of me towards Jim. Of course, it wasn’t a sexist comment at all. A female or male would be great. Thanks.

By: Will D

Will D — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 05:31:30 +0000

Ilovelife said, “To Will D. and ALL of his â€œpuppetsâ€”

This is a funny comment. To set the record straight, I only recognize two authors on this thread: cdanze and Curtis K. I know them both personally and they are both pro-life heroes who greatly influenced me into getting more involved in the pro-life movement. So I guess you should be calling me THEIR ‘puppets.’

By: Grant

Grant — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:03:53 +0000

None of my posts got deleted

It would be good to hear a well structured debate on the issue. Anybody know anyone who might be game?

By: Ilovelife

Ilovelife — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:55:47 +0000

To Will D:
Obviously, you can not read any better than you can think - I did not say that abortion is healthcare - I said “pap/physicals/mammograms, etc. are healthcare that Planned Parenthood facilities offer.
I stand on my comment about your “followers” being puppets. I saw the broadcast on Fox News 31 the other night of you and your puppets harassing the neighbors in front of “subcontractors” house. What a shame that you claim you are “pro-life” and “pro-family” but think it is absolutely o.k. to make such a fiasco in front of little children.
Oh, yes, when are you going to ask your puppets to drink the poisoned kool-aid as Jim Jones did? You are on the same exact level as he was: claiming to be Christians - shame on you!

By: Wildflower

Wildflower — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:36:01 +0000

“It’s impossible for a fundamentalist to admit that he was wrong because he would be admitting that God was wrong.”
Jimmy Carter

By: LHKMAN

LHKMAN — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:39:32 +0000

Who’s whining, King David? I didn’t get any posts removed; was merely commenting in response to Jim’s statement that he had. I try to present cogent and rational views and to do so with a modicum of civility. That you had posts removed is not at all surprising.

By: King David

King David — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:09:01 +0000

I know several people on the pro-life side that would be in a structured debate.

By: GODISNOWHERE

GODISNOWHERE — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 07:57:47 +0000

Wildflower said,on December 17th, 2007 at 10:36 am â€œItâ€™s impossible for a fundamentalist to admit that he was wrong because he would be admitting that God was wrong.â€
Jimmy Carter

President Jimmy Carter, was this perhaps God’s only mistake?