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		<title>By: george_pramenko</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/11/07/dependence-on-risky-loans-grows/#comment-886</link>
		<author>george_pramenko</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/11/07/dependence-on-risky-loans-grows/#comment-886</guid>
					<description>Jim!  The folks who under-wrote this subprime lending mess are those in the Hedge Fund groups.   And guess who Congress is now in the
process of bailing out?   It's those big money
hedge fund investment groups who give political
funds to Lieberman and Hillary!  In the past they've been big contributors also to John Kerry and to George W. Bush!
A recent article in the Nov. 5 issue of The Nationm "Hillary's Hedge Funds", tells of Terry
Terry McAuliffe working with others--Alan Quasha and Hassan Nemanzee (Harken Energy)--all
working "both political parties' candidates" to support the agendas of Hedge Funds.  It is
truly a sickening story.  
Big Oil and Big Hedge Fund groups and their money are ruining this nation in their effort to gain influence in Washington, D.C.  ~  GP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim!  The folks who under-wrote this subprime lending mess are those in the Hedge Fund groups.   And guess who Congress is now in the<br />
process of bailing out?   It&#8217;s those big money<br />
hedge fund investment groups who give political<br />
funds to Lieberman and Hillary!  In the past they&#8217;ve been big contributors also to John Kerry and to George W. Bush!<br />
A recent article in the Nov. 5 issue of The Nationm &#8220;Hillary&#8217;s Hedge Funds&#8221;, tells of Terry<br />
Terry McAuliffe working with others&#8211;Alan Quasha and Hassan Nemanzee (Harken Energy)&#8211;all<br />
working &#8220;both political parties&#8217; candidates&#8221; to support the agendas of Hedge Funds.  It is<br />
truly a sickening story.<br />
Big Oil and Big Hedge Fund groups and their money are ruining this nation in their effort to gain influence in Washington, D.C.  ~  GP</p>
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		<title>By: dennis hammond</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/11/07/dependence-on-risky-loans-grows/#comment-887</link>
		<author>dennis hammond</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/11/07/dependence-on-risky-loans-grows/#comment-887</guid>
					<description>Subprime lenders and their borrowers have
     made some bad business decisions in the
     last few years.  But A) Subprime lenders
     did VERY well in the mid 90's to early
     2000's and B) borrowers enjoyed cash flow
     and real estate appreciation during that
     same time.  Subprime lenders recently got
     out of the misjudged real estate market
     and some borrowers lack of common sense
     with their asset appreciation found 
     current interest rates and payments on
     those adjustibles out of their price 
     range.  Enough said.  That's private
     enterprise and consumer spending habits.

     The REAL story here that Spencer doesn't
     tell you about is the REAL
     injustice where Colorado real estate is
     concerned.  And that's the foreclosures
     YOU as the U.S. taxpayer foot the bill
     for.

     Never mentioned is the vast number of
     Federally insured residential home loans
     defaulted on by borrowers who in past 
     years never would have qualified for a
     mortgage.

     The taxpayer scam which 
     continues even to this day regardless of
     real estate values or economic conditions
     is
     the virtual racket associated with 
     Federally insured home loans by FHA and
     VA.  And WE the American people pay when
     they default.  NOTHING IS BEING SAID!
     It's the dirty little secret the
     beneficiaries don't want you the taxpayer
     to know about.

     You see, about 10 or 15 years ago our 
     elected leaders in Washington decided 
     EVERYBODY regardless of their financial
     ability should own a home.  ESPECIALLY
     minorities.  I would like to hear about
     how many BILLIONS of taxpayer dollars
     have been used to float the housing 
     operation called the Federal Housing
     Authority and it's giveaway home loans
     programs which are nothing more than
     subsidized housing for the poor.  

     I'd like to know of the thousands of 
     foreclosures in the state how many of
     these loans are insured by YOU the
     taxpayer and have NOTHING TO DO WITH
     THE SUBPRIME INDUSTRY.  The convenient
     boogy man for advocates for the "common 
     good" meaning screw the taxpayer we want
     to push our social agendas, one of which
     is free housing for the poor called
     FHA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Subprime lenders and their borrowers have<br />
     made some bad business decisions in the<br />
     last few years.  But A) Subprime lenders<br />
     did VERY well in the mid 90&#8217;s to early<br />
     2000&#8217;s and B) borrowers enjoyed cash flow<br />
     and real estate appreciation during that<br />
     same time.  Subprime lenders recently got<br />
     out of the misjudged real estate market<br />
     and some borrowers lack of common sense<br />
     with their asset appreciation found<br />
     current interest rates and payments on<br />
     those adjustibles out of their price<br />
     range.  Enough said.  That&#8217;s private<br />
     enterprise and consumer spending habits.</p>
<p>     The REAL story here that Spencer doesn&#8217;t<br />
     tell you about is the REAL<br />
     injustice where Colorado real estate is<br />
     concerned.  And that&#8217;s the foreclosures<br />
     YOU as the U.S. taxpayer foot the bill<br />
     for.</p>
<p>     Never mentioned is the vast number of<br />
     Federally insured residential home loans<br />
     defaulted on by borrowers who in past<br />
     years never would have qualified for a<br />
     mortgage.</p>
<p>     The taxpayer scam which<br />
     continues even to this day regardless of<br />
     real estate values or economic conditions<br />
     is<br />
     the virtual racket associated with<br />
     Federally insured home loans by FHA and<br />
     VA.  And WE the American people pay when<br />
     they default.  NOTHING IS BEING SAID!<br />
     It&#8217;s the dirty little secret the<br />
     beneficiaries don&#8217;t want you the taxpayer<br />
     to know about.</p>
<p>     You see, about 10 or 15 years ago our<br />
     elected leaders in Washington decided<br />
     EVERYBODY regardless of their financial<br />
     ability should own a home.  ESPECIALLY<br />
     minorities.  I would like to hear about<br />
     how many BILLIONS of taxpayer dollars<br />
     have been used to float the housing<br />
     operation called the Federal Housing<br />
     Authority and it&#8217;s giveaway home loans<br />
     programs which are nothing more than<br />
     subsidized housing for the poor.  </p>
<p>     I&#8217;d like to know of the thousands of<br />
     foreclosures in the state how many of<br />
     these loans are insured by YOU the<br />
     taxpayer and have NOTHING TO DO WITH<br />
     THE SUBPRIME INDUSTRY.  The convenient<br />
     boogy man for advocates for the &#8220;common<br />
     good&#8221; meaning screw the taxpayer we want<br />
     to push our social agendas, one of which<br />
     is free housing for the poor called<br />
     FHA.</p>
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		<title>By: noidea</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/11/07/dependence-on-risky-loans-grows/#comment-890</link>
		<author>noidea</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 17:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/11/07/dependence-on-risky-loans-grows/#comment-890</guid>
					<description>Jim,
Your piece should have been entitled "Dependence on Risky loans GREW".  Unless you've been living on another plantet the subprime lending appetite has died, especially in the mortgage markets.  "GROWS" implies that is is still getting larger.  Also, this study only includes loans that are 12% or higher as subprime.  Subprime and Alt A are not necessarily "usurious" with respect to interest rates in most cases, and almost all do not fall into the 12% category.  They were risky in their aggressive down payment options etc.   

The market is correcting, that is why "GREW" is better than "GROWS".  The pains of which are being felt now throughout the world markets now and will be for some time, but you should have written this 3 years ago when it would have mattered.  Not as an after the fact assessment of some powerful insight of people's spending habits and the desire of commerce to capitalize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,<br />
Your piece should have been entitled &#8220;Dependence on Risky loans GREW&#8221;.  Unless you&#8217;ve been living on another plantet the subprime lending appetite has died, especially in the mortgage markets.  &#8220;GROWS&#8221; implies that is is still getting larger.  Also, this study only includes loans that are 12% or higher as subprime.  Subprime and Alt A are not necessarily &#8220;usurious&#8221; with respect to interest rates in most cases, and almost all do not fall into the 12% category.  They were risky in their aggressive down payment options etc.   </p>
<p>The market is correcting, that is why &#8220;GREW&#8221; is better than &#8220;GROWS&#8221;.  The pains of which are being felt now throughout the world markets now and will be for some time, but you should have written this 3 years ago when it would have mattered.  Not as an after the fact assessment of some powerful insight of people&#8217;s spending habits and the desire of commerce to capitalize.</p>
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		<title>By: dennis hammond</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/11/07/dependence-on-risky-loans-grows/#comment-895</link>
		<author>dennis hammond</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 23:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/11/07/dependence-on-risky-loans-grows/#comment-895</guid>
					<description>Noidea, what's "riskier" than 100% + 
   financing achieved with with premium priced
   financing, settlement costs counted toward
   the 3% "down payment requirement"
   grant and community homebuyer assistance
   monies (which is nothing more than a shell
   game for a fee utilizing an illegal inflated
   real estate appraisal and on top of that
   seller concessions, resulting in a CHECK to
   the buys at closing who are first time
   home buyers with poor credit and sporatic
   job histories.

   That's the current state of FHA home loan
   financing.  In essense a "CASH OUT" home
   purchase for unqualified borrowers.

   Some of THESE loans go into default without
   a single payment being made.  Gee I wonder
   why?  This is called CRAZY underwriting.

   Then: to top it off when these borrowers 
   get three months behind the lender and 
   realtor can approach them with the FHA
   "PRE FORECLOSURE" program which allows
   the soon to be foreclosed seller a $500
   INCENTIVE to sell pre foreclosure and NOT
   have the foreclosure appear on their credit,
   (so they can qualify in only three years
    to get another FHA loan) and the loan
   can be "Paid off" for 82% of the current
   appraised value, with the TAXPAYER picking
   up the deficiency.  Many home are worth less
   now than the loan balance from a year ago.
   That deficiency could be 25 30 or 40%
   or at worst $80,000 on a $200,000 mortgage.
   All paid for by the TAXPAYER through HUD.

   All the lenders and Realtors have to do is
   find a steady stream of human beings with
   pulses and they can "CHURN" the local 
   inventory of foreclosure properties 
   adinfinitum.  Making their commission each
   time all on the tax payers dime.

   And your talking about RISK in the private
   sector SUB PRIME market????  Those people
   HAVE to make a profit or their out of 
   business.  The Federal government is in the
   BUSINESS of waisting the taxpayers dollars
   with their GIVEAWAY PROGRAMS.  And you
   talk about RISK.  GIVE ME A BREAK!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noidea, what&#8217;s &#8220;riskier&#8221; than 100% +<br />
   financing achieved with with premium priced<br />
   financing, settlement costs counted toward<br />
   the 3% &#8220;down payment requirement&#8221;<br />
   grant and community homebuyer assistance<br />
   monies (which is nothing more than a shell<br />
   game for a fee utilizing an illegal inflated<br />
   real estate appraisal and on top of that<br />
   seller concessions, resulting in a CHECK to<br />
   the buys at closing who are first time<br />
   home buyers with poor credit and sporatic<br />
   job histories.</p>
<p>   That&#8217;s the current state of FHA home loan<br />
   financing.  In essense a &#8220;CASH OUT&#8221; home<br />
   purchase for unqualified borrowers.</p>
<p>   Some of THESE loans go into default without<br />
   a single payment being made.  Gee I wonder<br />
   why?  This is called CRAZY underwriting.</p>
<p>   Then: to top it off when these borrowers<br />
   get three months behind the lender and<br />
   realtor can approach them with the FHA<br />
   &#8220;PRE FORECLOSURE&#8221; program which allows<br />
   the soon to be foreclosed seller a $500<br />
   INCENTIVE to sell pre foreclosure and NOT<br />
   have the foreclosure appear on their credit,<br />
   (so they can qualify in only three years<br />
    to get another FHA loan) and the loan<br />
   can be &#8220;Paid off&#8221; for 82% of the current<br />
   appraised value, with the TAXPAYER picking<br />
   up the deficiency.  Many home are worth less<br />
   now than the loan balance from a year ago.<br />
   That deficiency could be 25 30 or 40%<br />
   or at worst $80,000 on a $200,000 mortgage.<br />
   All paid for by the TAXPAYER through HUD.</p>
<p>   All the lenders and Realtors have to do is<br />
   find a steady stream of human beings with<br />
   pulses and they can &#8220;CHURN&#8221; the local<br />
   inventory of foreclosure properties<br />
   adinfinitum.  Making their commission each<br />
   time all on the tax payers dime.</p>
<p>   And your talking about RISK in the private<br />
   sector SUB PRIME market????  Those people<br />
   HAVE to make a profit or their out of<br />
   business.  The Federal government is in the<br />
   BUSINESS of waisting the taxpayers dollars<br />
   with their GIVEAWAY PROGRAMS.  And you<br />
   talk about RISK.  GIVE ME A BREAK!</p>
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		<title>By: noidea</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/11/07/dependence-on-risky-loans-grows/#comment-897</link>
		<author>noidea</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 04:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/11/07/dependence-on-risky-loans-grows/#comment-897</guid>
					<description>Dennis,

At least in the FHA and VA loan market borrowers were required to show income and asset documentation.  Once again, an idea that I may agree wtih you on you prove to me your idiocy and extrapolate your thoughts into a rambling mess of the private sector against every body else.  Get a grip, man.  Seriously.  

Also included in these numbers that Jim talks about are Pay Day Loans...a legal loan sharking service.  My original thougths did not include thes numbers that are rising..only because one would think that they should no affect foreclosure rates.....same with credit cards and car loans..........any resonable person would make their home loan payment first, but Jim blames lenders for unreasonable people and their (lack of) decision making... 

My point was Jim's numbers were an increase of 2005 and 2006.....any body living on this planet knows that these numbers will decline with respect to mortgages in 2007.  Pay Day numbers, car loans, credit cards etc will decline as soon as they start to lose money..

And yes, Jim, I am well aware of how loose mortgage lending practices affect the rest of society.....but your column is based on a simpleton mentality, no matter how correct in it's premise it may be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis,</p>
<p>At least in the FHA and VA loan market borrowers were required to show income and asset documentation.  Once again, an idea that I may agree wtih you on you prove to me your idiocy and extrapolate your thoughts into a rambling mess of the private sector against every body else.  Get a grip, man.  Seriously.  </p>
<p>Also included in these numbers that Jim talks about are Pay Day Loans&#8230;a legal loan sharking service.  My original thougths did not include thes numbers that are rising..only because one would think that they should no affect foreclosure rates&#8230;..same with credit cards and car loans&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.any resonable person would make their home loan payment first, but Jim blames lenders for unreasonable people and their (lack of) decision making&#8230; </p>
<p>My point was Jim&#8217;s numbers were an increase of 2005 and 2006&#8230;..any body living on this planet knows that these numbers will decline with respect to mortgages in 2007.  Pay Day numbers, car loans, credit cards etc will decline as soon as they start to lose money..</p>
<p>And yes, Jim, I am well aware of how loose mortgage lending practices affect the rest of society&#8230;..but your column is based on a simpleton mentality, no matter how correct in it&#8217;s premise it may be.</p>
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		<title>By: noidea</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/11/07/dependence-on-risky-loans-grows/#comment-898</link>
		<author>noidea</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 04:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/11/07/dependence-on-risky-loans-grows/#comment-898</guid>
					<description>....and how does a lender know if the person that they are lending to is unreasonable......only after the fact when they don't pay.  It is easy for a person like you, Jim, to criticize.  If credit is restricted, especially from minority groups, you are singing a different tune.  You get a grip too and learn.  The markets will determine who has access to capital, and liberals (progressives) like you will complain when there is not a free flow of lending capital to under capitalized minority and "under served" areas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.and how does a lender know if the person that they are lending to is unreasonable&#8230;&#8230;only after the fact when they don&#8217;t pay.  It is easy for a person like you, Jim, to criticize.  If credit is restricted, especially from minority groups, you are singing a different tune.  You get a grip too and learn.  The markets will determine who has access to capital, and liberals (progressives) like you will complain when there is not a free flow of lending capital to under capitalized minority and &#8220;under served&#8221; areas.</p>
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		<title>By: noidea</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/11/07/dependence-on-risky-loans-grows/#comment-899</link>
		<author>noidea</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 04:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/11/07/dependence-on-risky-loans-grows/#comment-899</guid>
					<description>The simpleton being a man in his 50's (with assuming excellent credit rating) getting credi card offers,  comparing that to what is going on generally in the credit markets... this is where the simpleton remark comes in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The simpleton being a man in his 50&#8217;s (with assuming excellent credit rating) getting credi card offers,  comparing that to what is going on generally in the credit markets&#8230; this is where the simpleton remark comes in.</p>
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		<title>By: dennis hammond</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/11/07/dependence-on-risky-loans-grows/#comment-904</link>
		<author>dennis hammond</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/11/07/dependence-on-risky-loans-grows/#comment-904</guid>
					<description>noidea, I didn't see the "study" which
    included creditors other than Sub Prime
    mortgage companies, but the common 
    complaint and being the political season
    there always a hidden political agenda.
    Hedge funds whatever.  Believe (whether
    you care to or not) I know of what I speak.
    I don't think consumer credit issues are
    the problem here.  And it's a fact that
    the press does not the discuss the racket
    going on with government insured loans
    and the multitude of programs which help
    unqualified borrowers buy homes as a 
    directive of Washinton ideology.  It's a
    fact moron.  Not all subprime lending is
    "stated" and generally loan to values
    provide for a cushion in the case of 
    forclosure.  Same deal with interet only 
    products.  People who have equity SELL
    MORON!  they don't go into foreclosure.
    You're the one rambling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>noidea, I didn&#8217;t see the &#8220;study&#8221; which<br />
    included creditors other than Sub Prime<br />
    mortgage companies, but the common<br />
    complaint and being the political season<br />
    there always a hidden political agenda.<br />
    Hedge funds whatever.  Believe (whether<br />
    you care to or not) I know of what I speak.<br />
    I don&#8217;t think consumer credit issues are<br />
    the problem here.  And it&#8217;s a fact that<br />
    the press does not the discuss the racket<br />
    going on with government insured loans<br />
    and the multitude of programs which help<br />
    unqualified borrowers buy homes as a<br />
    directive of Washinton ideology.  It&#8217;s a<br />
    fact moron.  Not all subprime lending is<br />
    &#8220;stated&#8221; and generally loan to values<br />
    provide for a cushion in the case of<br />
    forclosure.  Same deal with interet only<br />
    products.  People who have equity SELL<br />
    MORON!  they don&#8217;t go into foreclosure.<br />
    You&#8217;re the one rambling.</p>
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		<title>By: dennis hammond</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/11/07/dependence-on-risky-loans-grows/#comment-905</link>
		<author>dennis hammond</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/11/07/dependence-on-risky-loans-grows/#comment-905</guid>
					<description>restated:

   noidea, I didnâ€™t see the â€œstudyâ€ which
included creditors other than Sub Prime
mortgage companies, but the common
complaint and being this is the political season
there always a hidden political agenda,
Hedge funds whatever.  If that paper is
now worthless private investors have suffered.
Private investors.
 Believe me (whether
you care to or not) I know of what I speak.
I donâ€™t think consumer credit issues are
the problem here. And itâ€™s a fact that
the press does not care to discuss the racket
going on with government insured loans at taxpayers expense
and the multitude of programs (documented but
so what? with lax qualifying criteria and desktop
â€underwritingâ€ approval, big deal!)  They are loans
which should never happen but do time and again.
These things which assist
unqualified borrowers to buy homes as a
directive of  Washington ideology, social science
and housing for â€œunderprivilegedâ€ minorities. Itâ€™s a
fact. Not all sub Prime lending is
â€œstatedâ€ and generally loan to values
provide for a cushion in the case of
default.  They donâ€™t lend 100% of value.  Itâ€™s high risk lending, it 
addresses a probability of default. The wrongful assumption
was that real estate values would continue to appreciate.
Same deal with interest only products-  they donâ€™t lend 100%.
And generally speaking people with equity and decent credit
donâ€™t go into foreclosure-- they sell.  They sell to 
get what they can if anything of their equity and preserve
their credit rating. Not so with FHA borrowers they LITERALLY
have NOTHING to lose by foreclosure.  And some have even
gained, on the taxpayers dime.  Itâ€™s time the public understands
they are heavily subsidizing this housing debacle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>restated:</p>
<p>   noidea, I didnâ€™t see the â€œstudyâ€ which<br />
included creditors other than Sub Prime<br />
mortgage companies, but the common<br />
complaint and being this is the political season<br />
there always a hidden political agenda,<br />
Hedge funds whatever.  If that paper is<br />
now worthless private investors have suffered.<br />
Private investors.<br />
 Believe me (whether<br />
you care to or not) I know of what I speak.<br />
I donâ€™t think consumer credit issues are<br />
the problem here. And itâ€™s a fact that<br />
the press does not care to discuss the racket<br />
going on with government insured loans at taxpayers expense<br />
and the multitude of programs (documented but<br />
so what? with lax qualifying criteria and desktop<br />
â€underwritingâ€ approval, big deal!)  They are loans<br />
which should never happen but do time and again.<br />
These things which assist<br />
unqualified borrowers to buy homes as a<br />
directive of  Washington ideology, social science<br />
and housing for â€œunderprivilegedâ€ minorities. Itâ€™s a<br />
fact. Not all sub Prime lending is<br />
â€œstatedâ€ and generally loan to values<br />
provide for a cushion in the case of<br />
default.  They donâ€™t lend 100% of value.  Itâ€™s high risk lending, it<br />
addresses a probability of default. The wrongful assumption<br />
was that real estate values would continue to appreciate.<br />
Same deal with interest only products-  they donâ€™t lend 100%.<br />
And generally speaking people with equity and decent credit<br />
donâ€™t go into foreclosure&#8211; they sell.  They sell to<br />
get what they can if anything of their equity and preserve<br />
their credit rating. Not so with FHA borrowers they LITERALLY<br />
have NOTHING to lose by foreclosure.  And some have even<br />
gained, on the taxpayers dime.  Itâ€™s time the public understands<br />
they are heavily subsidizing this housing debacle.</p>
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		<title>By: LHKMAN</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/11/07/dependence-on-risky-loans-grows/#comment-970</link>
		<author>LHKMAN</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/11/07/dependence-on-risky-loans-grows/#comment-970</guid>
					<description>OK, guys, you've had your little debate.  Hammond, as usual, you manage to demagogue the issue.  Noidea is right.  FHA, VA, et al, require the borrower to establish that he/she is qualified for the deeply discounted loan.  That it is deeply discounted also makes it more likely that the loan will be paid.  I don't think you can cite any statistics that the default rate on VA and FHA loans is at all higher than on any other kind of loans.  And, please, for the love of God, stop perpetuating the myth of "sub-prime loans."  They're high risk, damn it, and if anyone ever had called them what they really are, it is doubtful that the masters of the universe who populate Wall Street would have been able to do what they did.

There is a tremendous amount of misinformation on the housing market, much of it because the mainstream media have so few decent reporters who know anything that they all play the same story, blathering about the poor working class people who are losing their homes.  Seldom do we get to read how the mortgage broker assured them the deal was "good" or the appraiser came back with a ridiculously high valuation just to make the loan qualify.  Most of the defaults around the country are by people who planned to flip the property and make money on the increase in value.  Surprise, the original value was unrealistic and the increase didn't manifest itself.  When the mortgage reset at a higher rate that the borrower never planned to have to pay, boom, into the dumper goes that mortgage.  

Hammond and Noidea, there is enough blame in this fiasco for everyone to get his or her share.  What we don't need is more blather (Hammond) against FHA and VA programs, which for more than 50 years have helped put more working-class Americans into homes of their own.  Try thinking before typing, and open the mind, you never know what might fly in or out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, guys, you&#8217;ve had your little debate.  Hammond, as usual, you manage to demagogue the issue.  Noidea is right.  FHA, VA, et al, require the borrower to establish that he/she is qualified for the deeply discounted loan.  That it is deeply discounted also makes it more likely that the loan will be paid.  I don&#8217;t think you can cite any statistics that the default rate on VA and FHA loans is at all higher than on any other kind of loans.  And, please, for the love of God, stop perpetuating the myth of &#8220;sub-prime loans.&#8221;  They&#8217;re high risk, damn it, and if anyone ever had called them what they really are, it is doubtful that the masters of the universe who populate Wall Street would have been able to do what they did.</p>
<p>There is a tremendous amount of misinformation on the housing market, much of it because the mainstream media have so few decent reporters who know anything that they all play the same story, blathering about the poor working class people who are losing their homes.  Seldom do we get to read how the mortgage broker assured them the deal was &#8220;good&#8221; or the appraiser came back with a ridiculously high valuation just to make the loan qualify.  Most of the defaults around the country are by people who planned to flip the property and make money on the increase in value.  Surprise, the original value was unrealistic and the increase didn&#8217;t manifest itself.  When the mortgage reset at a higher rate that the borrower never planned to have to pay, boom, into the dumper goes that mortgage.  </p>
<p>Hammond and Noidea, there is enough blame in this fiasco for everyone to get his or her share.  What we don&#8217;t need is more blather (Hammond) against FHA and VA programs, which for more than 50 years have helped put more working-class Americans into homes of their own.  Try thinking before typing, and open the mind, you never know what might fly in or out.</p>
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		<title>By: noidea</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/11/07/dependence-on-risky-loans-grows/#comment-973</link>
		<author>noidea</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/11/07/dependence-on-risky-loans-grows/#comment-973</guid>
					<description>LHKMAN&#62;&#62;  Subprime loans ARE risky.  Regardless of what Dennis says.  Or let me clarify, Subprime AND 100% financing in the same sentence are risky...Subprime has it's place in a free market economy, but disclosure is the key.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LHKMAN&gt;&gt;  Subprime loans ARE risky.  Regardless of what Dennis says.  Or let me clarify, Subprime AND 100% financing in the same sentence are risky&#8230;Subprime has it&#8217;s place in a free market economy, but disclosure is the key.</p>
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		<title>By: noidea</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/11/07/dependence-on-risky-loans-grows/#comment-974</link>
		<author>noidea</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/11/07/dependence-on-risky-loans-grows/#comment-974</guid>
					<description>Sometimes I type and send before thinking, and then wish that I had a yo yo that I could pull it back.  That being said, I know quite a bit about this particular subject.  That night that I sent my remarks to Dennis, I had thrown more than a few back and my delivery was poor.  Especially with respect to calling Jim Spencer a simpleton, which certainly he is not (Sorry Jim for being a jacka..).  Dennis, on the other hand, although not a simpleton has a one track mind. 

The credit breakdown with respect to mortgages is a MAJOR issue.  The House moved to correct some of the problems yesterday but went into areas that the free market economy on it's own is  correcting.  "Do goodism" on the part of the majority of Democrats who sponsored and voted for the bill are going to deepen the problem.....Specifically with respect to homeowners trying to refinance not being able to use their equity for closing costs on refinances.  Although this sounds noble on paper, the poor will not be able to do so and this will deepen their problems in getting out of their subprime loans or to refinance in general.  The wage earner will not be able to save up the money to do so and will basically be SOL.  I personally need to refinance an ARM and I do not relish paying money out of my pocket to do so rather than using my own equity. 

Rather than stopping the hemorrage of foreclosures it is, if the bill passes the Senate, going to deepen even more.  The stricter licensing etc. are all good parts of the bill but the Democratic supported bill reaches it's mis-guided hand into an arena that the markets will correct on it's own.  Nannyism as Harsanyi would put it.

If the House is concerned about equity predators, they perhaps should revise the HOEPA ACT limiting the percentage of fees charged on a loan and perhaps have some sort of protection against multiple refinances within a time frame from a single originating source.  This, in my opinion, would help remove some of the predators that have created this debacle. 

That being said, there are some excellent aspects of the bill with controlling the "type" of person, and qualifications, that are able to originate mortgage loans and this is long over due..  There are also more disclosure provisions etc.  So overall, a lot of good was done.  But if we go overboard, watch out.  This will be just the beginning as borrowers will not be able to unwind the mess that they have gotten themselves into.

And yes, you are correct.&#62;&#62;&#62;  Subprime loans ARE risky.  Regardless of what Dennis says.  Or let me clarify, Subprime AND 100% financing in the same sentence are risky...Subprime has it's place in a free market economy, but disclosure is the key.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes I type and send before thinking, and then wish that I had a yo yo that I could pull it back.  That being said, I know quite a bit about this particular subject.  That night that I sent my remarks to Dennis, I had thrown more than a few back and my delivery was poor.  Especially with respect to calling Jim Spencer a simpleton, which certainly he is not (Sorry Jim for being a jacka..).  Dennis, on the other hand, although not a simpleton has a one track mind. </p>
<p>The credit breakdown with respect to mortgages is a MAJOR issue.  The House moved to correct some of the problems yesterday but went into areas that the free market economy on it&#8217;s own is  correcting.  &#8220;Do goodism&#8221; on the part of the majority of Democrats who sponsored and voted for the bill are going to deepen the problem&#8230;..Specifically with respect to homeowners trying to refinance not being able to use their equity for closing costs on refinances.  Although this sounds noble on paper, the poor will not be able to do so and this will deepen their problems in getting out of their subprime loans or to refinance in general.  The wage earner will not be able to save up the money to do so and will basically be SOL.  I personally need to refinance an ARM and I do not relish paying money out of my pocket to do so rather than using my own equity. </p>
<p>Rather than stopping the hemorrage of foreclosures it is, if the bill passes the Senate, going to deepen even more.  The stricter licensing etc. are all good parts of the bill but the Democratic supported bill reaches it&#8217;s mis-guided hand into an arena that the markets will correct on it&#8217;s own.  Nannyism as Harsanyi would put it.</p>
<p>If the House is concerned about equity predators, they perhaps should revise the HOEPA ACT limiting the percentage of fees charged on a loan and perhaps have some sort of protection against multiple refinances within a time frame from a single originating source.  This, in my opinion, would help remove some of the predators that have created this debacle. </p>
<p>That being said, there are some excellent aspects of the bill with controlling the &#8220;type&#8221; of person, and qualifications, that are able to originate mortgage loans and this is long over due..  There are also more disclosure provisions etc.  So overall, a lot of good was done.  But if we go overboard, watch out.  This will be just the beginning as borrowers will not be able to unwind the mess that they have gotten themselves into.</p>
<p>And yes, you are correct.&gt;&gt;&gt;  Subprime loans ARE risky.  Regardless of what Dennis says.  Or let me clarify, Subprime AND 100% financing in the same sentence are risky&#8230;Subprime has it&#8217;s place in a free market economy, but disclosure is the key.</p>
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		<title>By: noidea</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/11/07/dependence-on-risky-loans-grows/#comment-975</link>
		<author>noidea</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/11/07/dependence-on-risky-loans-grows/#comment-975</guid>
					<description>...and LHKMAN..although I always give your words much ponderance and see your perspective, I take some offense to your venacular in "little debate"..  this is somewhat condescending.  Dennis, although one track, is obviously 'tuned in' and that is a good thing.  I may be an idiot, but would rather not be called such.  Even if your condescesion is under the radar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and LHKMAN..although I always give your words much ponderance and see your perspective, I take some offense to your venacular in &#8220;little debate&#8221;..  this is somewhat condescending.  Dennis, although one track, is obviously &#8216;tuned in&#8217; and that is a good thing.  I may be an idiot, but would rather not be called such.  Even if your condescesion is under the radar.</p>
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