Comments on: Without Immigration Reform, ID Rules Hurt Business

By: LHKMAN

LHKMAN — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:08:25 +0000

The work, regardless of the industry, carries a wage and benefit value/cost. Surely, Rep. Tancredo and some of his vigilantes would be happy to step in and take these jobs — or provide the names of qualified, willing U.S. citizens if they are otherwise too occupied to help the lady.

By: noidea

noidea — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 23:08:30 +0000

Better identification has resulted in less business? and we are meant to care about this? She should pay her employees more and then she will get a better employee. What is the purpose of the column? To undermine the wage of the American worker? For a long time people with a “progressive” bend have been complaining that it is the fault of business that makes it so attractive for illegal immigration to thrive in our country, FOR PURELY PROFIT MOTIVATIONS. Now that there is a crack down on busines, all I hear is whining from people with your persuasion. Once the herd is thinned, all businesses will be on a competive playing field with respect to price. Until then there will be some pain and to be sure some businesses will pay the price by playing by the rules. Others will cheat and lose when they get caught. Will this increase price on the consumer? Yes. Will this raise wages for American workers? Yes. What do you care about? A decent wage for American workers or perpetuating a system that allows employers to pay slave labor for decreased prices on goods and services? Honestly Jim, it sounds like the latter. Which appears to go against all that you stand for.

By: noidea

noidea — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 23:45:31 +0000

LHKMAN,
It is not the duty of Tancredo or anybody else to provide this woman with LEGAL able bodied employees. She is either paying too low a wage or does not have the capacity to hire, train and keep the lower echelons (so called by her and Jim) of society that she appears to run into now that we are merely enforcing the laws that have been on our books for decades. Any other industrialized country in the world has immigration laws with respect to employment, much more stringent than ours in most cases. Why shouldn’t we? If she is unable to earn a profit within the constraints of the minimum wage laws (AND ABOVE) then perhaps she should look for a new line of work. Somebody else will move in to fill the void, I am certain about that.

By: noidea

noidea — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 00:04:36 +0000

….and the once we go through the pains of enforcing labor laws with respect to immigration, we can approve more work visas for PEOPLE trying to better themselves by coming to America to fill the void left by the enforcement. What good does hiding our head in the sand do?

By: dennis hammond

dennis hammond — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 00:10:16 +0000

Also, whose “non matching” social security
numbers are they using. And on the flip
side how many personal exemptions have
they claimed. When you claim 7 or 8
personal exemptions you don’t pay with
holding only FICA, not a bad deal. And
for those whose Socials are illegally used
they get a nice letter from the IRS asking
them to PROVE it wasn’t them who earned
the income. Nice. The fraud needs to
stop.

By: noidea

noidea — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 01:08:34 +0000

If you fill in the blanks and read between the lines of the second H.R. administrator interview by Jim we could surmise that she actually said.. “…we scour half way houses because…that is where you can find people to work for the (insert: sh.tty and ridiculously low) wage (insert: that we pay)”. Poor, poor H.R director. Happy, happy business owner.

By: noidea

noidea — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 04:25:52 +0000

I hate to be over kill on this subject. But perhaps the reason that the illegal immigrants that these businesses are hiring are so loyal may be that they become indentured servants/slaves of a sort. They may be afraid to complain about or leave a poor work environment with low wages for fear that the company down the street may be tougher on following the laws of our country with respect to documentation. They may fear filing legitimate complaints against businesses that don’t follow OSHA regulations for fear of reprisal against their status in this country. There is no doubt that something needs to be done with the people that are here currently. But we need to discourage others from coming who are not following the proper channels of entering our country for the purposes of work. Ultimately, we are talking about human beings with families here, so I believe that we need to start from scratch by granting those that are here amnesty and then get tough on the documentation side of things. Complaining businesses that have profited from cheating the system and are now suffering should not be the reason that we change our immigration policy.

By: Wildflower

Wildflower — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 04:32:33 +0000

The businesswoman said “there were a few Dui’s in the group, but nothing more serious”.
A DUI ISN’T SERIOUS? My granddaugher was broadsided by a drunk driver in her college state 3 years ago, the car was totaled and she was taken to the hospital with internal injuries, in excruiciating pain. She still has an ulceration in her stomach from this accident, and from time to time it flares up and is very, very painful and she coughs up blood. It looks like this injury will be with her for life. She was 19 at the time of the accident. Of course the drunk didn’t have insurance.
If “a few” of the businesswoman’s employees had DUI’s could we assume a few is 3 or more?
That would be one-sixth of the 20. And if there are at least 2 who don’t get caught for DUI for every one that does, could that mean almost half of the 20 have been driving drunk?
And how did the ones who were caught get out of jail, did they have a phony driver’s license? And I’ll bet they didn’t have insurance either? Where was ICE then?

By: dennis hammond

dennis hammond — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:28:31 +0000

We’ve come to the point in our culture
where political correctness determines
which crimes are actually pursued and
punished and which aren’t. Those crimes
which carry the correct social/p.c.
stigma are ardently enforced drinking
and driving is right up there with
murder (though the statute has become
a cash cow for local municipalities as
the vast majority of citations go to
drivers who are withing the former
reasonable bac limits) and those
which break other laws deemed racist or
unkind are ignored. The result is chaos.
The system likes to target complient
citizens who actually pay fines and
show up for court while it lets uninsured
illegals who aren’t in the system drive
drunk. It makes a mockery of our system
of laws. The most popular being those
easiest to enforce, most lucritive and
with the lowest overhead to administer.

Recently a business owner friend of mine
had a floor safe stolen from his business
The crook used the business’s hand cart
to wheel the safe through the snow to
an apartment located behind the business.
When the police arrived he informed them
that the perpetrator left tracks right
to his apartment. The police weren’t
interested. They said “We don’t do that”
we have five other cases to “investigate”
this morning. “Here’s a police report
for your insurance have a nice day”

Are they really that busy and how does
this attitude affect the criminal mind
knowing NOTHING will be done.

We need to enforce ALL laws. Not just
the one’s we agree with.

By: durf786

durf786 — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 23:36:55 +0000

Illegal immigration and providing low-wage and/or seasonal workers for business are… uh, SHOULD BE … separate issues.

By: noidea

noidea — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:16:05 +0000

Durf786,

Agreed. The low wage and/or seasonal workers should obtain “work visas” and go through the proper channels of immigration.