Comments on: ACLU Plans Meeting to Settle Student Phone Seizures http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/12/aclu-plans-meeting-to-settle-student-phone-seizures/ Here are my thoughts; share yours Tue, 06 Jan 2009 11:38:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1 By: dennis hammond http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/12/aclu-plans-meeting-to-settle-student-phone-seizures/#comment-591 dennis hammond Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:06:26 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/12/aclu-plans-meeting-to-settle-student-phone-seizures/#comment-591 I think we're all wiretapping felons, just go into the grocery store and you'll be subjected to other people's cell phone conversations, especially those who have phones planted in body orifaces and appear to me talking to themselves. Very annoying. When I went to school we had nuns and they were authorized to do what- ever they wanted, it was NOT a Democracy there. Hence, we we're fairly educated More silliness from the ACLU I think we’re all wiretapping felons,
just go into the grocery store and you’ll
be subjected to other people’s cell phone
conversations, especially those who have
phones planted in body orifaces and appear
to me talking to themselves. Very
annoying. When I went to school we had
nuns and they were authorized to do what-
ever they wanted, it was NOT a Democracy
there. Hence, we we’re fairly educated

More silliness from the ACLU

]]> By: dennis hammond http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/12/aclu-plans-meeting-to-settle-student-phone-seizures/#comment-592 dennis hammond Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:29:50 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/12/aclu-plans-meeting-to-settle-student-phone-seizures/#comment-592 The latest oxymoron: Public Education The latest oxymoron: Public Education

]]> By: rathmone http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/12/aclu-plans-meeting-to-settle-student-phone-seizures/#comment-593 rathmone Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:31:47 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/12/aclu-plans-meeting-to-settle-student-phone-seizures/#comment-593 Though not, evidently, educated well enough to learn English. Though not, evidently, educated well enough to learn English.

]]> By: kujack http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/12/aclu-plans-meeting-to-settle-student-phone-seizures/#comment-594 kujack Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:35:15 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/12/aclu-plans-meeting-to-settle-student-phone-seizures/#comment-594 More silliness from the ACLU? Protecting our constitutional rights is "silliness", Dennis? I guess protesting a very small tax during the Revolutionary War was more silliness from Washington, Jefferson, Adams. I guess World War Two was just more silliness from crzy internationalists? Maybe the civil rights movement was just some silliness from the NAACP. All those just causes would have been lost if they depended on people so cavalier about their rights as you. May god help us if important watch dogs like the ACLU ever dissapear. More silliness from the ACLU? Protecting our constitutional rights is “silliness”, Dennis? I guess protesting a very small tax during the Revolutionary War was more silliness from Washington, Jefferson, Adams. I guess World War Two was just more silliness from crzy internationalists? Maybe the civil rights movement was just some silliness from the NAACP. All those just causes would have been lost if they depended on people so cavalier about their rights as you. May god help us if important watch dogs like the ACLU ever dissapear.

]]> By: noidea http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/12/aclu-plans-meeting-to-settle-student-phone-seizures/#comment-596 noidea Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:48:56 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/12/aclu-plans-meeting-to-settle-student-phone-seizures/#comment-596 Dennis. You can't be serious. What does this have to do with invasion of privacy? Do you, or your children, want to be subjected to a search of not only your personal belongings, but also your thoughts and communications with others without a search warrant executed by a judge? There was absolutely no reason to search this young man's text messages. This is the slippery slope that I was referring to.. What type of society do you want to live in? The words that you choose to use on this and many other subjects reflect those of the Soviet Union in their hey day... I am certain from your rhetoric that you would definitely not want to be associated with that regime... Dennis.

You can’t be serious. What does this have to do with invasion of privacy? Do you, or your children, want to be subjected to a search of not only your personal belongings, but also your thoughts and communications with others without a search warrant executed by a judge? There was absolutely no reason to search this young man’s text messages. This is the slippery slope that I was referring to..

What type of society do you want to live in? The words that you choose to use on this and many other subjects reflect those of the Soviet Union in their hey day… I am certain from your rhetoric that you would definitely not want to be associated with that regime…

]]> By: dennis hammond http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/12/aclu-plans-meeting-to-settle-student-phone-seizures/#comment-597 dennis hammond Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:14:42 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/12/aclu-plans-meeting-to-settle-student-phone-seizures/#comment-597 Noidea, I don't see this as anything different from the teacher intercepting the paper written note passed through class 40 years ago. I suppose that was an invasion of privacy as well? Well, it was- anything that detracted or distracted from the mission was fare game. As for the population at large (being monitored) I believe the government has been using a system called Echelon, a system of many Cray computers in Gulf Breeze, able to monitor all tele- communications in the country. That's twenty year old stuff. Remember noidea there's a couple hundred million of us, they don't have the resources to bug us THAT much. Don't worry just make secure the Fist and Second Amendments and they'll behave. Rathmone, I did say "fairly" and obviously well enough (my command of English) that A) I pissed you off and B) that you employed directive 3) from the Liberal Debating Handbook. Score one for me! FYI Step 3) If you can't win the argument, criticise the grammer, usage or spelling YOU LOSE! Noidea, I don’t see this as anything
different from the teacher intercepting
the paper written note passed through
class 40 years ago. I suppose that was
an invasion of privacy as well? Well,
it was- anything that detracted or
distracted from the mission was fare game.

As for the population at large (being
monitored) I believe the
government has been using a system called
Echelon, a system of many Cray computers
in Gulf Breeze, able to monitor all tele-
communications in the country. That’s
twenty year old stuff.

Remember noidea there’s a couple hundred
million of us, they don’t have the resources
to bug us THAT much. Don’t worry just
make secure the Fist and Second Amendments
and they’ll behave.

Rathmone, I did say “fairly” and obviously
well enough (my command of English) that
A) I pissed you off and B) that you
employed directive 3)
from the Liberal Debating Handbook. Score
one for me! FYI Step 3) If you can’t win
the argument, criticise the grammer, usage
or spelling YOU LOSE!

]]> By: dennis hammond http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/12/aclu-plans-meeting-to-settle-student-phone-seizures/#comment-598 dennis hammond Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:16:46 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/12/aclu-plans-meeting-to-settle-student-phone-seizures/#comment-598 Kojack, when you're protesting something substanitive, effecting adults civil rights email me I'll be there with you. dennishammond366 @comcast.net Kojack, when you’re protesting something
substanitive, effecting adults civil rights
email me
I’ll be there with you. dennishammond366
@comcast.net

]]> By: Wildflower http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/12/aclu-plans-meeting-to-settle-student-phone-seizures/#comment-603 Wildflower Sat, 13 Oct 2007 01:54:16 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/12/aclu-plans-meeting-to-settle-student-phone-seizures/#comment-603 Only the location of the schools is surprising. I've known of intense harassment of DPS students several years ago. If the schools feel there is a problem they should discuss it with the parents, particularly if they think the student might be in an impaired condition. It is not the schools' right to pry into private communications. They're very good at ignoring a student's rights..and putting them under grilling that an adult would not stand for. According to the law then, maybe it is illegal for the parents to intercept messages too? Well, the parents can always take the phone away if there is a problem, but even more effective is removing the car keys. Only the location of the schools is surprising. I’ve known of intense harassment of DPS students several years ago.
If the schools feel there is a problem they should discuss it with the parents, particularly if they think the student might be in an impaired condition. It is not the schools’ right to pry into private communications. They’re very good at ignoring a student’s rights..and putting them under grilling that an adult would not stand for. According to the law then, maybe it is illegal for the parents to intercept messages too?
Well, the parents can always take the phone away if there is a problem, but even more effective is removing the car keys.

]]> By: noidea http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/12/aclu-plans-meeting-to-settle-student-phone-seizures/#comment-605 noidea Sat, 13 Oct 2007 03:47:31 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/12/aclu-plans-meeting-to-settle-student-phone-seizures/#comment-605 My wife threw in that if the cell phone was in class during a test, they may be cheating from their text messages if they are looking at them. But Dennis, this wasn't a case of somebody passing notes. Or of a kid checking text during class. The cell phone was in a bag. The bag was searched for contraband. None was found and the school proceeded, with no probable cause or a search warrent, to read the private communications of a student. Don't throw red herrings into the mix. This is pure and simple invasion of privacy. If you have any care to preserve this country this case should outrage you. If it doesn't, then I don't know what to say to you. My wife threw in that if the cell phone was in class during a test, they may be cheating from their text messages if they are looking at them. But Dennis, this wasn’t a case of somebody passing notes. Or of a kid checking text during class. The cell phone was in a bag. The bag was searched for contraband. None was found and the school proceeded, with no probable cause or a search warrent, to read the private communications of a student. Don’t throw red herrings into the mix. This is pure and simple invasion of privacy. If you have any care to preserve this country this case should outrage you. If it doesn’t, then I don’t know what to say to you.

]]> By: dennis hammond http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/12/aclu-plans-meeting-to-settle-student-phone-seizures/#comment-607 dennis hammond Sat, 13 Oct 2007 04:12:09 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/12/aclu-plans-meeting-to-settle-student-phone-seizures/#comment-607 GO ROCKIES!!!!!! GO ROCKIES!!!!!!

]]> By: dennis hammond http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/12/aclu-plans-meeting-to-settle-student-phone-seizures/#comment-608 dennis hammond Sat, 13 Oct 2007 04:14:34 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/12/aclu-plans-meeting-to-settle-student-phone-seizures/#comment-608 No Wildflower-- even children have Constitutionally protected rights and those are bestowed upon them just as soon as they move out of their parents home No Wildflower– even children have
Constitutionally protected rights and
those are bestowed upon them just as
soon as they move out of their parents
home

]]> By: noidea http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/12/aclu-plans-meeting-to-settle-student-phone-seizures/#comment-610 noidea Sat, 13 Oct 2007 05:34:22 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/12/aclu-plans-meeting-to-settle-student-phone-seizures/#comment-610 By the way, my pontification is beginning to even annoy myself...I..must....get...away...as James T. Kirk would say... Peace out. By the way, my pontification is beginning to even annoy myself…I..must….get…away…as James T. Kirk would say… Peace out.

]]> By: dennis hammond http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/12/aclu-plans-meeting-to-settle-student-phone-seizures/#comment-615 dennis hammond Sun, 14 Oct 2007 04:17:08 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/12/aclu-plans-meeting-to-settle-student-phone-seizures/#comment-615 Noidea, No i think Kirk totally enjoyed his pontificating and from what I understand it was in his contract. I find it hard to believe a personal cell phone was confiscated out of a purse and then read. That's over the line but I would sure have some questions about probable cause. Without probable cause why would they do it? I'd like to hear all the facts of the incident Noidea,

No i think Kirk totally enjoyed his
pontificating and from what I understand
it was in his contract.

I find it hard to believe a personal cell
phone was confiscated out of a purse and
then read. That’s over the line but I
would sure have some questions about
probable cause. Without probable cause
why would they do it?

I’d like to hear all the facts of the
incident

]]> By: usersuz http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/12/aclu-plans-meeting-to-settle-student-phone-seizures/#comment-623 usersuz Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:08:57 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/12/aclu-plans-meeting-to-settle-student-phone-seizures/#comment-623 The difference from confiscating a note passed to another student is that by passing it, he makes it public and therefore subject to confiscation. This does not give the teacher automatic access to his notebook or diary. Ferret out, indeed! (Accent on the "ferret") When these cell phones are confiscated, the school personnel are opening up all the files and passing judgment on this person's private life. Sounds like these school employees need to get a life of their own. I say they can confiscate the cell phone temporarily but they cannot look into its contents, never, not at all. What next, will they draw blood to test for AIDS or nicotine or whatever? Now, if the principal wants to do body cavity searches, that's different... The difference from confiscating a note passed to another student is that by passing it, he makes it public and therefore subject to confiscation. This does not give the teacher automatic access to his notebook or diary. Ferret out, indeed! (Accent on the “ferret”) When these cell phones are confiscated, the school personnel are opening up all the files and passing judgment on this person’s private life. Sounds like these school employees need to get a life of their own. I say they can confiscate the cell phone temporarily but they cannot look into its contents, never, not at all. What next, will they draw blood to test for AIDS or nicotine or whatever? Now, if the principal wants to do body cavity searches, that’s different…

]]> By: kujack http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/12/aclu-plans-meeting-to-settle-student-phone-seizures/#comment-650 kujack Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:00:54 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/12/aclu-plans-meeting-to-settle-student-phone-seizures/#comment-650 Well, Dennis, I am glad you will support adult civil rights. Problem is nowhere in the Constiution does it mention the rights being earned, restricted to adults, or granted once they move out of a parents house. As a matter of fact, our founders believed those rights were granted by the "creator", and thus, merely by being born a person has them. Now I'll grant you if their was iminent danger the school should be free to search. If the infraction is related to the cell phone (ie the student is sending or reading a text in class), or if parents give permission, then by all means, search the phone. My understanding in this case though is that they only searched because everything else yielded no evidence of wrong doing, and that they never contacted parents to ask if this is ok. Well, Dennis, I am glad you will support adult civil rights. Problem is nowhere in the Constiution does it mention the rights being earned, restricted to adults, or granted once they move out of a parents house. As a matter of fact, our founders believed those rights were granted by the “creator”, and thus, merely by being born a person has them. Now I’ll grant you if their was iminent danger the school should be free to search. If the infraction is related to the cell phone (ie the student is sending or reading a text in class), or if parents give permission, then by all means, search the phone. My understanding in this case though is that they only searched because everything else yielded no evidence of wrong doing, and that they never contacted parents to ask if this is ok.

]]> By: dennis hammond http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/12/aclu-plans-meeting-to-settle-student-phone-seizures/#comment-678 dennis hammond Fri, 19 Oct 2007 01:33:57 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/12/aclu-plans-meeting-to-settle-student-phone-seizures/#comment-678 Kujack, Only since the so called age of enlighten- ment in public education (you know where kids are given birth control pills) have classrooms full of kids been considered "Democracies" repleat with the Bill of Rights. This also coincides with the Liberal agenda of keeping kids illiterate. This while pushing their social laboratory agendas, mostly feminism. Liberals like to guote Justice Abe Fortus in his "landmark decision" in stating "You don't hang your civil rights at the school gate" but they never finish Fortus's ruling which states School officials need to determine curriculum and maintain order trumps the Constituional right of kids in the class room. My classrooms as a kid, resembled more closely totalitarian regimes and we were fairly educated. Kujack,

Only since the so called age of enlighten-
ment in public education (you know where
kids are given birth control pills) have
classrooms full of kids been considered
“Democracies” repleat with the Bill of
Rights. This also coincides with the
Liberal agenda of keeping kids
illiterate. This while pushing their
social laboratory agendas, mostly
feminism. Liberals like to
guote Justice
Abe Fortus in his “landmark decision” in
stating “You don’t hang
your civil rights at the school gate” but
they never finish Fortus’s ruling which
states School officials need to determine
curriculum and maintain order trumps the
Constituional right of kids in the class
room. My classrooms as a kid, resembled
more closely totalitarian regimes and we
were fairly educated.

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