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	<title>Comments on: Author Warns of Move from Torture to Totalitarianism</title>
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		<title>By: durf786</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-543</link>
		<author>durf786</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-543</guid>
					<description>I like Naomi Wolf, and I hope she sold a few books, but she's way late. Bush will be gone in little over a year, and the prospect of being thrashed in 2008 has Congressional Republicans wondering if "goose step mode" is still the way to go. The U.S. populace has been excruciatingly slow to realize how greatly we've been damaged, but, finally, it is happening. 

Let's just hope the lesson learned is powerful enough to never let anything like the current administration's travesties ever occur again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Naomi Wolf, and I hope she sold a few books, but she&#8217;s way late. Bush will be gone in little over a year, and the prospect of being thrashed in 2008 has Congressional Republicans wondering if &#8220;goose step mode&#8221; is still the way to go. The U.S. populace has been excruciatingly slow to realize how greatly we&#8217;ve been damaged, but, finally, it is happening. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s just hope the lesson learned is powerful enough to never let anything like the current administration&#8217;s travesties ever occur again.</p>
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		<title>By: dennis hammond</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-545</link>
		<author>dennis hammond</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Jim,

  Actually it takes two parents to raise
  a child.  And this has to be the silliest
  artical I've ever read. Comparing the U.S.
  to Hitler's German or Stalin's Russia.
  That is an ignorant, stupid statement
  Stalin had MILLIONS
  of people summarily executed as did Hitler,
  as far as I know, no one has been executed,
  except for over 3000 innocent civilians at
  the trade centers on 9/11/01

  The Freedom pledge signed by Democrats?
  They don't believe in freedom OR the
  Constitution for that matter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<p>  Actually it takes two parents to raise<br />
  a child.  And this has to be the silliest<br />
  artical I&#8217;ve ever read. Comparing the U.S.<br />
  to Hitler&#8217;s German or Stalin&#8217;s Russia.<br />
  That is an ignorant, stupid statement<br />
  Stalin had MILLIONS<br />
  of people summarily executed as did Hitler,<br />
  as far as I know, no one has been executed,<br />
  except for over 3000 innocent civilians at<br />
  the trade centers on 9/11/01</p>
<p>  The Freedom pledge signed by Democrats?<br />
  They don&#8217;t believe in freedom OR the<br />
  Constitution for that matter</p>
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		<title>By: Anoldguy1944</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-547</link>
		<author>Anoldguy1944</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 01:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-547</guid>
					<description>Sadly, this seems all too true. It'd be fascinating, not to mention at least some minor validation of their viewpoint, if Libertarians were as outraged by the Bush administration's neofascist actions as they seem to be by attempts to extend medical coverage to more children who currently don't have it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, this seems all too true. It&#8217;d be fascinating, not to mention at least some minor validation of their viewpoint, if Libertarians were as outraged by the Bush administration&#8217;s neofascist actions as they seem to be by attempts to extend medical coverage to more children who currently don&#8217;t have it.</p>
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		<title>By: george_pramenko</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-549</link>
		<author>george_pramenko</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 04:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-549</guid>
					<description>Jim!

The Bush Administration, I believe, is currently getting ready to steal (co-opt) the talking point that Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY) proposed a year ago and make it their own--i.e., Get the Military Draft Board and the Draft back on line...and Draft a bunch more!
Rumors over here in Arvada and on Air American
radio suggest that the Bushies know that they are running out of military personnel while also at the same time are wanting to invade Iran on behalf of the neocons (A.I.PAC, et al).
They just might try to make this topic "their GOP talking point" for the upcoming 2008 Election.
I also heard another rumor...about Diane Carman.  Someone said that she quit The Denver Post.  Is that correct?  If it is true, then it is sad day much like when you were let go!  And Ms. Wolf may truly be on to something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim!</p>
<p>The Bush Administration, I believe, is currently getting ready to steal (co-opt) the talking point that Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY) proposed a year ago and make it their own&#8211;i.e., Get the Military Draft Board and the Draft back on line&#8230;and Draft a bunch more!<br />
Rumors over here in Arvada and on Air American<br />
radio suggest that the Bushies know that they are running out of military personnel while also at the same time are wanting to invade Iran on behalf of the neocons (A.I.PAC, et al).<br />
They just might try to make this topic &#8220;their GOP talking point&#8221; for the upcoming 2008 Election.<br />
I also heard another rumor&#8230;about Diane Carman.  Someone said that she quit The Denver Post.  Is that correct?  If it is true, then it is sad day much like when you were let go!  And Ms. Wolf may truly be on to something.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-551</link>
		<author>Keith</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-551</guid>
					<description>This is something most of us have known for a long time, that we are headed towards a facist state.  Now we anticipate dennis's claim that "a little torture never hurt anyone - it saves lives!"  - "they hate us for our freedom!"  It always easy to accept because there is only good and bad people in the world and the dennis hammond's are the good, and will never risk torture because their chicken hawks and would never sign up to serve to defend this country from the Islamic hordes, because they're cowards and would rather send someone else's children to economic productive wars and to face tit-for-tat torture in the hands of the new and increasing enemy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is something most of us have known for a long time, that we are headed towards a facist state.  Now we anticipate dennis&#8217;s claim that &#8220;a little torture never hurt anyone - it saves lives!&#8221;  - &#8220;they hate us for our freedom!&#8221;  It always easy to accept because there is only good and bad people in the world and the dennis hammond&#8217;s are the good, and will never risk torture because their chicken hawks and would never sign up to serve to defend this country from the Islamic hordes, because they&#8217;re cowards and would rather send someone else&#8217;s children to economic productive wars and to face tit-for-tat torture in the hands of the new and increasing enemy.</p>
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		<title>By: dennis hammond</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-552</link>
		<author>dennis hammond</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-552</guid>
					<description>If there was anything to the drivel coming
    from this silly Women's rights activist,
    she and her book wouldn't be allowed to
    exist.  These kinds of attacks are childish
    and irresponsible.  They're tantamount to
    treason because they embolden the enemy.
    Left wing "Americans" are spoiled and
    childish and take much for granted.  When
    have Liberals ever cared about freedom
    or the Constitution?  Since the ninties
    they've tried to eliminate the First,
    Second and Fourth Amendments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there was anything to the drivel coming<br />
    from this silly Women&#8217;s rights activist,<br />
    she and her book wouldn&#8217;t be allowed to<br />
    exist.  These kinds of attacks are childish<br />
    and irresponsible.  They&#8217;re tantamount to<br />
    treason because they embolden the enemy.<br />
    Left wing &#8220;Americans&#8221; are spoiled and<br />
    childish and take much for granted.  When<br />
    have Liberals ever cared about freedom<br />
    or the Constitution?  Since the ninties<br />
    they&#8217;ve tried to eliminate the First,<br />
    Second and Fourth Amendments.</p>
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		<title>By: dennis hammond</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-553</link>
		<author>dennis hammond</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-553</guid>
					<description>Here's the other garbage written by 
   Naomi Wolf, just to put things in 
   perspective:
 
   The End of America:Letter of Warning to
   a young patriot

   The Beauty Myth
  
   The Shock Doctrine: The rise of Disaster
   Capitalism

   Misconceptions: Truth, Lies and the
   unexpected on the journey to 
   motherhood,

   Promiscuities: A secret history
   of Female

   What a bunch of feminist trash. It's
   obvious where her beliefs and ideologies
   come from.  That's the beauty of 
   America (she fails to mention) any idiot
   can write a book</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the other garbage written by<br />
   Naomi Wolf, just to put things in<br />
   perspective:</p>
<p>   The End of America:Letter of Warning to<br />
   a young patriot</p>
<p>   The Beauty Myth</p>
<p>   The Shock Doctrine: The rise of Disaster<br />
   Capitalism</p>
<p>   Misconceptions: Truth, Lies and the<br />
   unexpected on the journey to<br />
   motherhood,</p>
<p>   Promiscuities: A secret history<br />
   of Female</p>
<p>   What a bunch of feminist trash. It&#8217;s<br />
   obvious where her beliefs and ideologies<br />
   come from.  That&#8217;s the beauty of<br />
   America (she fails to mention) any idiot<br />
   can write a book</p>
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		<title>By: Wildflower</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-554</link>
		<author>Wildflower</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-554</guid>
					<description>It looks like we've  fulfilled the 10 steps to a Totalitarian regime. But, as Durf said, it's way late... Kerry said in '04, the country can't afford 4 more years of the Bush administration.
And we couldn't. Where do we really go from here now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like we&#8217;ve  fulfilled the 10 steps to a Totalitarian regime. But, as Durf said, it&#8217;s way late&#8230; Kerry said in &#8216;04, the country can&#8217;t afford 4 more years of the Bush administration.<br />
And we couldn&#8217;t. Where do we really go from here now?</p>
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		<title>By: dennis hammond</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-555</link>
		<author>dennis hammond</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-555</guid>
					<description>Daniel Perl
       Nick Berg
       Pfc. Thomas Tucker
       Pfc. Kristian Manchaca

       I appologize for those whose names
       I forgotten.  These people are the
       victims of war crimes.

       These people are DEAD the victims
       of cowardly attrocities, as opposed
       to the "victims" of College initiation
       stunts,such as those which occured at
       during the isolated incidences at
       places like Abu Ghraib.  The guilty
       parties were punished under the Army
       code of justice.

       Where's your outrage over the American
       lives lost?  Where's their justice and
       do you care?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel Perl<br />
       Nick Berg<br />
       Pfc. Thomas Tucker<br />
       Pfc. Kristian Manchaca</p>
<p>       I appologize for those whose names<br />
       I forgotten.  These people are the<br />
       victims of war crimes.</p>
<p>       These people are DEAD the victims<br />
       of cowardly attrocities, as opposed<br />
       to the &#8220;victims&#8221; of College initiation<br />
       stunts,such as those which occured at<br />
       during the isolated incidences at<br />
       places like Abu Ghraib.  The guilty<br />
       parties were punished under the Army<br />
       code of justice.</p>
<p>       Where&#8217;s your outrage over the American<br />
       lives lost?  Where&#8217;s their justice and<br />
       do you care?</p>
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		<title>By: dennis hammond</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-556</link>
		<author>dennis hammond</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-556</guid>
					<description>Daniel Pearl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel Pearl</p>
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		<title>By: Wildflower</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-557</link>
		<author>Wildflower</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-557</guid>
					<description>I am more than outraged, and sickened, at the lives which were lost as a result of our cowboy president's 
"Bring em on"......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am more than outraged, and sickened, at the lives which were lost as a result of our cowboy president&#8217;s<br />
&#8220;Bring em on&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dennis hammond</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-561</link>
		<author>dennis hammond</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-561</guid>
					<description>Which were those Wildflower?  Have you
    forgotten were at war with most of Islam
    and it has nothing to do with Bush?
    I know you Lefties like to blame Bush
    for everything including the mean temp-
    erature of the Earth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which were those Wildflower?  Have you<br />
    forgotten were at war with most of Islam<br />
    and it has nothing to do with Bush?<br />
    I know you Lefties like to blame Bush<br />
    for everything including the mean temp-<br />
    erature of the Earth</p>
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		<title>By: Wildflower</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-562</link>
		<author>Wildflower</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 01:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-562</guid>
					<description>The lives that were lost as a result of "bring em on" were the lives of our American troops in Iraq, Dennis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The lives that were lost as a result of &#8220;bring em on&#8221; were the lives of our American troops in Iraq, Dennis.</p>
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		<title>By: noidea</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-563</link>
		<author>noidea</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 01:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-563</guid>
					<description>Ben Franklin stated that he who "gives up his freedom for safety deserves neither".  I truly believe this.  But George Bush did not alone pass the Patriot Act etc.  This bill was renewed again this year by Republicans and Democrats.   Naomi Wolf is irresponsible and so are you for giving her piece the light of day. 

To use the "it takes a village to raise a child" crap at the end shows what your real motivation is. 

Why don't you write about something useful like how Hillary appeared to be climbing into bed with Chinese fundraisers again in a 1990's rehash?  

Or how Sandy Berger (KNOWN ADMITTED CRIMINAL AGAINST THE U.S. GOVERNMENT) is now being rewarded for his silence by a post in the Clinton team.  

Or better yet, say that she also voted for the Patriot Act.

This Bush is Hitler stuff is old and tiresome.  He will be gone soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben Franklin stated that he who &#8220;gives up his freedom for safety deserves neither&#8221;.  I truly believe this.  But George Bush did not alone pass the Patriot Act etc.  This bill was renewed again this year by Republicans and Democrats.   Naomi Wolf is irresponsible and so are you for giving her piece the light of day. </p>
<p>To use the &#8220;it takes a village to raise a child&#8221; crap at the end shows what your real motivation is. </p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you write about something useful like how Hillary appeared to be climbing into bed with Chinese fundraisers again in a 1990&#8217;s rehash?  </p>
<p>Or how Sandy Berger (KNOWN ADMITTED CRIMINAL AGAINST THE U.S. GOVERNMENT) is now being rewarded for his silence by a post in the Clinton team.  </p>
<p>Or better yet, say that she also voted for the Patriot Act.</p>
<p>This Bush is Hitler stuff is old and tiresome.  He will be gone soon.</p>
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		<title>By: noidea</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-564</link>
		<author>noidea</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 02:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-564</guid>
					<description>In fact the renewel of the Patriot Act passed 89 to 10.   Isn't it time to put Bush away as your scapegoat for all that is wrong with this country?  It is amazing.   Torture is wrong.  Bush has said that it is wrong, but it is a tough world out there and we are fighting against a pack of animals that are willing to kill innocent civilians in cities all over the world with barbaric methods.  It is not a black and white issue as you would have us believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact the renewel of the Patriot Act passed 89 to 10.   Isn&#8217;t it time to put Bush away as your scapegoat for all that is wrong with this country?  It is amazing.   Torture is wrong.  Bush has said that it is wrong, but it is a tough world out there and we are fighting against a pack of animals that are willing to kill innocent civilians in cities all over the world with barbaric methods.  It is not a black and white issue as you would have us believe.</p>
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		<title>By: dennis hammond</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-567</link>
		<author>dennis hammond</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-567</guid>
					<description>By the way Wildflower, you called Bush a
  "Cowboy" not in a complementary way.  I
  thought you did not subscribe to name 
  calling? Cowboy is like Ilk right?
  Gotcha!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way Wildflower, you called Bush a<br />
  &#8220;Cowboy&#8221; not in a complementary way.  I<br />
  thought you did not subscribe to name<br />
  calling? Cowboy is like Ilk right?<br />
  Gotcha!</p>
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		<title>By: usersuz</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-568</link>
		<author>usersuz</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-568</guid>
					<description>The personal disparagement of the opposition is an earmark of intellectual bankruptcy. And the last time I checked, we had not declared war on Islam or any other religion for that matter. No one has really clarified that term "the enemy." According to this Administration, the Enemy comprises a long list of everyone from Al-Qaeda to the Democratic Party (Lefties?). Are the Iraqis who want us out of their country also the Enemy? Would you take up arms against a military force that invaded YOUR country? We are the same underneath it all: we defend what we love, we are angry with trespassers, we cherish our families. I am not surprised at what has happened in Iraq, because it is so predictable that it's almost boring. What's amazing is that anyone could defend our presence there at this late date.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The personal disparagement of the opposition is an earmark of intellectual bankruptcy. And the last time I checked, we had not declared war on Islam or any other religion for that matter. No one has really clarified that term &#8220;the enemy.&#8221; According to this Administration, the Enemy comprises a long list of everyone from Al-Qaeda to the Democratic Party (Lefties?). Are the Iraqis who want us out of their country also the Enemy? Would you take up arms against a military force that invaded YOUR country? We are the same underneath it all: we defend what we love, we are angry with trespassers, we cherish our families. I am not surprised at what has happened in Iraq, because it is so predictable that it&#8217;s almost boring. What&#8217;s amazing is that anyone could defend our presence there at this late date.</p>
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		<title>By: Nyc W. Alberts</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-569</link>
		<author>Nyc W. Alberts</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 19:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-569</guid>
					<description>Evidence of the truth of the statement:

“I don’t think we would react to the Abu Ghraib images now the way we did in 2004.”

&lt;a href="http://silencedmajority.blogs.com/silenced_majority_portal/2007/10/torture-sufferi.html#comments" rel="nofollow"&gt;Can be found in the fact that torture imagery is now being used to sell... women's shampoo on television, during episodes of the Gilmore Girls.&lt;/a&gt;

More posts on this can be found &lt;a href="http://feministing.com/archives/007876.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.democracycellproject.net/blog/archives/2007/10/torture-sufferi.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;here,&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href="http://apenwarmedinhell.blogspot.com/2007/10/this-country-doesnt-torture-were-not.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

These times are not only interesting, as the saying goes, but utterly surreal.

~nwa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evidence of the truth of the statement:</p>
<p>“I don’t think we would react to the Abu Ghraib images now the way we did in 2004.”</p>
<p><a href="http://silencedmajority.blogs.com/silenced_majority_portal/2007/10/torture-sufferi.html#comments" rel="nofollow">Can be found in the fact that torture imagery is now being used to sell&#8230; women&#8217;s shampoo on television, during episodes of the Gilmore Girls.</a></p>
<p>More posts on this can be found <a href="http://feministing.com/archives/007876.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>, <a href="http://www.democracycellproject.net/blog/archives/2007/10/torture-sufferi.html" rel="nofollow">here,</a>, and <a href="http://apenwarmedinhell.blogspot.com/2007/10/this-country-doesnt-torture-were-not.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>These times are not only interesting, as the saying goes, but utterly surreal.</p>
<p>~nwa</p>
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		<title>By: noidea</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-570</link>
		<author>noidea</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-570</guid>
					<description>Usersuz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Usersuz</p>
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		<title>By: noidea</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-571</link>
		<author>noidea</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-571</guid>
					<description>Usersuz,

"The personal disparagement of the opposition is an earmark of intellectual bankruptcy"?  I just finished reading a column closely identifying George Bush with one of the most evil men in history in Adolph Hitler.  I read remarks calling Republicans "goose steppers", come on you don't really have the gaul to call Dennis out (maybe you were calling me out on my comments) when these remarks are being said at the same time do you?  

This is all about the march to 2008 (as evidenced by the "it takes a village..." tag at the end) and the rhetoric is getting ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Usersuz,</p>
<p>&#8220;The personal disparagement of the opposition is an earmark of intellectual bankruptcy&#8221;?  I just finished reading a column closely identifying George Bush with one of the most evil men in history in Adolph Hitler.  I read remarks calling Republicans &#8220;goose steppers&#8221;, come on you don&#8217;t really have the gaul to call Dennis out (maybe you were calling me out on my comments) when these remarks are being said at the same time do you?  </p>
<p>This is all about the march to 2008 (as evidenced by the &#8220;it takes a village&#8230;&#8221; tag at the end) and the rhetoric is getting ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Wildflower</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-572</link>
		<author>Wildflower</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-572</guid>
					<description>You're right, Dennis, I was wrong to say cowboy because that's an insult to every hard-working true cowboy. I spent a lot of time as a kid in the summers on my grandparents' ranch/farm, cowboys are hard-working, honest, decent people.
There's a time and a place to be a cowboy. The oval office was not the place, when our soldiers were endangered in Iraq was not the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, Dennis, I was wrong to say cowboy because that&#8217;s an insult to every hard-working true cowboy. I spent a lot of time as a kid in the summers on my grandparents&#8217; ranch/farm, cowboys are hard-working, honest, decent people.<br />
There&#8217;s a time and a place to be a cowboy. The oval office was not the place, when our soldiers were endangered in Iraq was not the time.</p>
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		<title>By: dennis hammond</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-574</link>
		<author>dennis hammond</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-574</guid>
					<description>NO. sorry, were not the same.  Is there
   a mother in America who would instill in
   their child a desire to kill Jews and to
   perhaps one day be a martyr?  We are
   experiencing a clash of cultures with one
   which is alien and caustic, which worships
   exalts death.
   It is anti semitic, anti freedom, anti
   Liberty and ultra racist.  It is everything
   we abhor in this country.  You sooner you
   realize this the sooner we can try to save
   humanity from theses idiots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NO. sorry, were not the same.  Is there<br />
   a mother in America who would instill in<br />
   their child a desire to kill Jews and to<br />
   perhaps one day be a martyr?  We are<br />
   experiencing a clash of cultures with one<br />
   which is alien and caustic, which worships<br />
   exalts death.<br />
   It is anti semitic, anti freedom, anti<br />
   Liberty and ultra racist.  It is everything<br />
   we abhor in this country.  You sooner you<br />
   realize this the sooner we can try to save<br />
   humanity from theses idiots.</p>
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		<title>By: noidea</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-577</link>
		<author>noidea</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 00:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-577</guid>
					<description>Nwc W. Alberts gave us some links to "phishing" websites.   I clicked and my anti-virus software went nuts...Just an fyi..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nwc W. Alberts gave us some links to &#8220;phishing&#8221; websites.   I clicked and my anti-virus software went nuts&#8230;Just an fyi..</p>
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		<title>By: dennis hammond</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-578</link>
		<author>dennis hammond</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 00:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-578</guid>
					<description>Noieda, You don't know how often I've
  heard that quote from Franklin since we've
  tightened security (and rightly so) since
  9/11.  It's getting old.  You have no idea
  just how secure we are in this country
  compared to Middle east, India or Africa.

  You can walk down just about any city street
  at 3:oo in the morning and be relatively  
  certain to survive.  Perhaps not in NYC,
  Detroit or South Central LA but just about
  the rest of the country.

  Try that in Sao Paulo Brazil or Columbia
  or Afganistan or Irag or Syria.

  We so take for granted that "Little security"
  Franklin referred to.

  Put you in THOSE countries and they'd have
  you screaming for your momma all the way
  to the steps of the Capital in Washington
  and it would be all George Bush's fault.

  Your funny.  Like most Americans you live in
  a dream world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noieda, You don&#8217;t know how often I&#8217;ve<br />
  heard that quote from Franklin since we&#8217;ve<br />
  tightened security (and rightly so) since<br />
  9/11.  It&#8217;s getting old.  You have no idea<br />
  just how secure we are in this country<br />
  compared to Middle east, India or Africa.</p>
<p>  You can walk down just about any city street<br />
  at 3:oo in the morning and be relatively<br />
  certain to survive.  Perhaps not in NYC,<br />
  Detroit or South Central LA but just about<br />
  the rest of the country.</p>
<p>  Try that in Sao Paulo Brazil or Columbia<br />
  or Afganistan or Irag or Syria.</p>
<p>  We so take for granted that &#8220;Little security&#8221;<br />
  Franklin referred to.</p>
<p>  Put you in THOSE countries and they&#8217;d have<br />
  you screaming for your momma all the way<br />
  to the steps of the Capital in Washington<br />
  and it would be all George Bush&#8217;s fault.</p>
<p>  Your funny.  Like most Americans you live in<br />
  a dream world.</p>
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		<title>By: dennis hammond</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-583</link>
		<author>dennis hammond</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-583</guid>
					<description>You're right noidea-- it is a tough world
    out there, tougher than we in this country
    can imagine and it's not black and white
    as people sitting in this island of
    prosperity might have us believe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right noidea&#8211; it is a tough world<br />
    out there, tougher than we in this country<br />
    can imagine and it&#8217;s not black and white<br />
    as people sitting in this island of<br />
    prosperity might have us believe</p>
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		<title>By: noidea</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-584</link>
		<author>noidea</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-584</guid>
					<description>Hey Dennis..Let's have the government monitor everything that we do for security reasons. Joking of course.  You are an extremist.  You are diffentiating a police force (which we currently have) that is for protection of citizens and high tech tracking of data and illegal searches on you and every person in this country.  It is a very slippery slope. 

Stop and think about the words that you choose to use for one minute.  Are you really like this or is it an act?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Dennis..Let&#8217;s have the government monitor everything that we do for security reasons. Joking of course.  You are an extremist.  You are diffentiating a police force (which we currently have) that is for protection of citizens and high tech tracking of data and illegal searches on you and every person in this country.  It is a very slippery slope. </p>
<p>Stop and think about the words that you choose to use for one minute.  Are you really like this or is it an act?</p>
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		<title>By: noidea</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-588</link>
		<author>noidea</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-588</guid>
					<description>Dennis,

In addition, they have excellent "security" in Myanmar (Burma) and Venezuala...but do we really want that?  I for one don't.   This doesn't mean that I still don't disagree with Jim's perspective on Bush and Republicans and the fact that Democrats aren't culpable for any of the laws or actions taken post 911, or for that matter any number of issues that strikes their fancy.  The opinions of which just start there (911 reaction) and swirl out of control into a feeding frenzy of idiocy on a vast array of issues. 

What we appear to have here is two radical sides that are not very dis-similar to the Hatfields and McCoys.  We have people commenting on this site that are from both sides...The discourse is not rational and is nearly all based on emotion and half truths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis,</p>
<p>In addition, they have excellent &#8220;security&#8221; in Myanmar (Burma) and Venezuala&#8230;but do we really want that?  I for one don&#8217;t.   This doesn&#8217;t mean that I still don&#8217;t disagree with Jim&#8217;s perspective on Bush and Republicans and the fact that Democrats aren&#8217;t culpable for any of the laws or actions taken post 911, or for that matter any number of issues that strikes their fancy.  The opinions of which just start there (911 reaction) and swirl out of control into a feeding frenzy of idiocy on a vast array of issues. </p>
<p>What we appear to have here is two radical sides that are not very dis-similar to the Hatfields and McCoys.  We have people commenting on this site that are from both sides&#8230;The discourse is not rational and is nearly all based on emotion and half truths.</p>
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		<title>By: dennis hammond</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-589</link>
		<author>dennis hammond</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-589</guid>
					<description>I run into many people who have nothing
   but criticism for the U.S., but obviously
   enjoy all of its fruits and benes. When I 
   query them about their complaints, they
   have nothing specific in mind and are
   simply parenting the montra of the Left-
   wing crybabies. Basically it's George
   Bush's fault. Everything. 

   For every one thing the Blame America
   first crowd comes up with that goes wrong
   in this country,I come up with a hundred
   things that work and go right.

   The U.S. is an amazing acheivment.  Try 
   India where trains don't run and toilets
   don't flush.

   Or those advanced cultures in Europe for
   God sake, what a mess.  Rioting and old
   world corruption.

   You throw the word illegal around fairly
   easily.  I think we're a far cry from the
   totalitarian, autocratic governments 
   suggested by lunatics and crackpots.

   I don't have any concern about being
   monitored.  If it helps save a few 
   thousand lives during this war against
   terror were in, great.

   As for the slipery slope- that's why we
   have the First AND Second Amendment 
   compliments of the founding fathers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I run into many people who have nothing<br />
   but criticism for the U.S., but obviously<br />
   enjoy all of its fruits and benes. When I<br />
   query them about their complaints, they<br />
   have nothing specific in mind and are<br />
   simply parenting the montra of the Left-<br />
   wing crybabies. Basically it&#8217;s George<br />
   Bush&#8217;s fault. Everything. </p>
<p>   For every one thing the Blame America<br />
   first crowd comes up with that goes wrong<br />
   in this country,I come up with a hundred<br />
   things that work and go right.</p>
<p>   The U.S. is an amazing acheivment.  Try<br />
   India where trains don&#8217;t run and toilets<br />
   don&#8217;t flush.</p>
<p>   Or those advanced cultures in Europe for<br />
   God sake, what a mess.  Rioting and old<br />
   world corruption.</p>
<p>   You throw the word illegal around fairly<br />
   easily.  I think we&#8217;re a far cry from the<br />
   totalitarian, autocratic governments<br />
   suggested by lunatics and crackpots.</p>
<p>   I don&#8217;t have any concern about being<br />
   monitored.  If it helps save a few<br />
   thousand lives during this war against<br />
   terror were in, great.</p>
<p>   As for the slipery slope- that&#8217;s why we<br />
   have the First AND Second Amendment<br />
   compliments of the founding fathers</p>
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		<title>By: dennis hammond</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-590</link>
		<author>dennis hammond</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-590</guid>
					<description>noidea, I do have this concern however
    Question: To what degree is the U.S.
    a pawn for corporate interests?

    Maybe you can answer that for me.
    This answer to this varies widely
    depending upon who one talks to</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>noidea, I do have this concern however<br />
    Question: To what degree is the U.S.<br />
    a pawn for corporate interests?</p>
<p>    Maybe you can answer that for me.<br />
    This answer to this varies widely<br />
    depending upon who one talks to</p>
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		<title>By: noidea</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-595</link>
		<author>noidea</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-595</guid>
					<description>The U.S. most certainly is a pawn for corporate interests, Dennis.  Corporations give large dollars to both parties.  Including George Soros who has interests all over the world and is a major benefactor (Daddy Warbucks) for the Democratic party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The U.S. most certainly is a pawn for corporate interests, Dennis.  Corporations give large dollars to both parties.  Including George Soros who has interests all over the world and is a major benefactor (Daddy Warbucks) for the Democratic party.</p>
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		<title>By: dennis hammond</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-599</link>
		<author>dennis hammond</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-599</guid>
					<description>Noidea, are you familiar with a guy
   by the name of  Lyndon LaRouche?  I was
   accosted by some people at the post office
   who are on his "team" and they were handing
   out information.  I picked up LaRouche's
   book called Earth's Next Fifty Years. I've
   read 100 of 300 pages and found it to be
   almost completely inscrutible.  He is a
   conspiracy theorist and he claims an
   economist.  I'm reading the book for 
   balance.  This guy is on the far left
   on the continuem and claims Dick Cheney
   is involved in a world wide military 
   industrial conspiracy with the British
   in a corporation called BAE

   Anything?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noidea, are you familiar with a guy<br />
   by the name of  Lyndon LaRouche?  I was<br />
   accosted by some people at the post office<br />
   who are on his &#8220;team&#8221; and they were handing<br />
   out information.  I picked up LaRouche&#8217;s<br />
   book called Earth&#8217;s Next Fifty Years. I&#8217;ve<br />
   read 100 of 300 pages and found it to be<br />
   almost completely inscrutible.  He is a<br />
   conspiracy theorist and he claims an<br />
   economist.  I&#8217;m reading the book for<br />
   balance.  This guy is on the far left<br />
   on the continuem and claims Dick Cheney<br />
   is involved in a world wide military<br />
   industrial conspiracy with the British<br />
   in a corporation called BAE</p>
<p>   Anything?</p>
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		<title>By: dennis hammond</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-601</link>
		<author>dennis hammond</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-601</guid>
					<description>Noidea, from Wikipedia:

   BAE now sells more to the US Department of Defense (DOD) than the UK MOD.[75] The company has been allowed to buy important defence contractors in the US, however its status as a UK company requires that its US subsidiaries are governed by American executives under Special Security Arrangements. BAE Systems faces less impediments in this sense than its European counterparts, as there is a high degree of integration between the US and UK defence establishments. BAE's purchase of Lockheed Martin Aerospace Electronic Systems in November 2000 was described by John Hamre, CEO of the Center for Strategic and International Studies and former Deputy Secretary of Defense, as "precedent setting" given the advanced and classified nature of many of that company's products.[76]

The possibility of a merger between BAE and major North American defence contractors has long been reported; including Boeing, General Dynamics, Lockheed Martin and Raytheon.[44][77][78]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noidea, from Wikipedia:</p>
<p>   BAE now sells more to the US Department of Defense (DOD) than the UK MOD.[75] The company has been allowed to buy important defence contractors in the US, however its status as a UK company requires that its US subsidiaries are governed by American executives under Special Security Arrangements. BAE Systems faces less impediments in this sense than its European counterparts, as there is a high degree of integration between the US and UK defence establishments. BAE&#8217;s purchase of Lockheed Martin Aerospace Electronic Systems in November 2000 was described by John Hamre, CEO of the Center for Strategic and International Studies and former Deputy Secretary of Defense, as &#8220;precedent setting&#8221; given the advanced and classified nature of many of that company&#8217;s products.[76]</p>
<p>The possibility of a merger between BAE and major North American defence contractors has long been reported; including Boeing, General Dynamics, Lockheed Martin and Raytheon.[44][77][78]</p>
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		<title>By: noidea</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-606</link>
		<author>noidea</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 03:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-606</guid>
					<description>There is no doubt that Dick Cheney is a very complex man.  But, believe it or not, I am part of the 19% that believes that he has the best interests of the U.S. at heart and is a good man.  He is very easy to criticize, but if you follow his rise in politics at one point he was one of the most respected members of Congress.  I believe that he was the correct Vice President at a time when the country needed a man like him.  I am sure that I will be lambasted for my statements.  I can only hope that my previous comments will provide some dimension as to where I really stand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no doubt that Dick Cheney is a very complex man.  But, believe it or not, I am part of the 19% that believes that he has the best interests of the U.S. at heart and is a good man.  He is very easy to criticize, but if you follow his rise in politics at one point he was one of the most respected members of Congress.  I believe that he was the correct Vice President at a time when the country needed a man like him.  I am sure that I will be lambasted for my statements.  I can only hope that my previous comments will provide some dimension as to where I really stand.</p>
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		<title>By: dennis hammond</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-617</link>
		<author>dennis hammond</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 17:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/09/author-warns-of-move-from-torture-to-totalitarianism/#comment-617</guid>
					<description>Noidea,

    Interesting,  by the way, back to topic,
    two obvious reasons Naomi Wolf is flat
    wrong about our shift to "Totalitarianism"-
    1) She's writing a book about it and
    2) She's still breathing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noidea,</p>
<p>    Interesting,  by the way, back to topic,<br />
    two obvious reasons Naomi Wolf is flat<br />
    wrong about our shift to &#8220;Totalitarianism&#8221;-<br />
    1) She&#8217;s writing a book about it and<br />
    2) She&#8217;s still breathing</p>
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