Comments on: Student Editor Who Survived F-bomb Needs to Mature http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/ Here are my thoughts; share yours Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:51:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1 By: LHKMAN http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-508 LHKMAN Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:38:41 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-508 You basically said it all, Jim. What's intriguing is that so many, mostly on the right, can rise to such a high level of outrage over the actions of an immature kid. Perhaps he should be punished to having his mouth washed out with soap - right after VP Cheney has his similarly cleansed for his comments to Senator Leahy a few years ago. I don't recall seeing much indignation from the right then; it was the left's turn to be outraged. Fun and games. That so many can spend so much time on this issue is proof that it's easier to devoting comparable time to real issues. You basically said it all, Jim. What’s intriguing is that so many, mostly on the right, can rise to such a high level of outrage over the actions of an immature kid. Perhaps he should be punished to having his mouth washed out with soap - right after VP Cheney has his similarly cleansed for his comments to Senator Leahy a few years ago. I don’t recall seeing much indignation from the right then; it was the left’s turn to be outraged. Fun and games. That so many can spend so much time on this issue is proof that it’s easier to devoting comparable time to real issues.

]]> By: Keith http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-511 Keith Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:16:39 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-511 Jim, I think you're getting too old. I've got at least 20 years on you, and I get it; you don't. "Progressive" means you're progress, not REgress. If anything this IS about freedom of speech. I think this what McSwayne was trying to demonstrate, but you missed the lesson. Maybe you're offended because you were never allowed to write this in your columns about Bush, but wanted to? The incident, whether intended by McSwayne or not, was to prove the point, that simply speaking the truth, but using a smutty word we all use (come on Jim you're not a virgin), people focus on the word, not the message. It's like people with the word on a tee shirt being banned from flying or even something anti-Bush. If someone was wearing a pro-Bush, "kill'em all in Iraq" tee shirt - no problem. What does this say about "who" are the squeaky wheels. We expect the young Republicans to demand McSwayne's termination or anyone who speaks about their false gods, but we expect the progressives to stand up for the constitutional rights that Dennis claims we cherry pick. Are you trying to make his point? Jim, I think you’re getting too old. I’ve got at least 20 years on you, and I get it; you don’t. “Progressive” means you’re progress, not REgress. If anything this IS about freedom of speech. I think this what McSwayne was trying to demonstrate, but you missed the lesson. Maybe you’re offended because you were never allowed to write this in your columns about Bush, but wanted to?

The incident, whether intended by McSwayne or not, was to prove the point, that simply speaking the truth, but using a smutty word we all use (come on Jim you’re not a virgin), people focus on the word, not the message. It’s like people with the word on a tee shirt being banned from flying or even something anti-Bush. If someone was wearing a pro-Bush, “kill’em all in Iraq” tee shirt - no problem. What does this say about “who” are the squeaky wheels. We expect the young Republicans to demand McSwayne’s termination or anyone who speaks about their false gods, but we expect the progressives to stand up for the constitutional rights that Dennis claims we cherry pick. Are you trying to make his point?

]]> By: dennis hammond http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-512 dennis hammond Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:36:36 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-512 Let's see if I have the same rights as Shane McDuff or whatever his name is Ok, for the purposes of illustration: FUCK YOU KEITH! Ok. Just so everyone knows *I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST KEITH* My question is what is PURPOSE of the fowl language? Is serves NO PURPOSE except to lower the tone and intelligence level of the discussion. It adds nothing except makes ME look like a dumb jerk. Doesn't it make more sense to have an open intellectual debate on ANY TOPIC. People who RESORT to fowl language don't have much of an argument. Now, as a newspaper editor, are you telling me, everyone of them doesn't EDIT the content of a letter to the editor? Can I use the work NIGGER in a letter What if I called Hillary Clinton a stupid slimy CUNT? OH, I see. There IS a line of good taste. I think the editor should have been fired for crossing that line. Editors edit for good taste and sense. Right? This became a first Amendment issue because it was directed at the President. Let’s see if I have the same rights as
Shane McDuff or whatever his name is
Ok, for the purposes of illustration:
FUCK YOU KEITH! Ok. Just so everyone
knows *I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST KEITH*
My question is what is PURPOSE of the
fowl language? Is serves NO PURPOSE
except to lower the tone and intelligence
level of the discussion. It adds nothing
except makes ME look like a dumb jerk.
Doesn’t it make more sense to have an
open intellectual debate on ANY TOPIC.
People who RESORT to fowl language don’t
have much of an argument.

Now, as a newspaper editor, are you telling
me, everyone of them doesn’t EDIT the
content of a letter to the editor?

Can I use the work NIGGER in a letter
What if I called Hillary Clinton a stupid
slimy CUNT?

OH, I see. There IS a line of good taste.
I think the editor should have been fired
for crossing that line. Editors edit for
good taste and sense. Right?

This became a first Amendment issue because
it was directed at the President.

]]> By: dennis hammond http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-513 dennis hammond Fri, 05 Oct 2007 21:16:47 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-513 I lied- I have ONE thing against Keith: He's a cherry picking Liberal. But I still love em. I lied- I have ONE thing against Keith:
He’s a cherry picking Liberal. But I
still love em.

]]> By: noidea http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-514 noidea Fri, 05 Oct 2007 21:46:05 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-514 LHKMAN, I must say that I laughed when Cheney told Leahy to F off....and you are right the left was outraged and the right didn't care. Tables turned and the opposite is true. It's hard to keep up with all of the hypocrisy... Then again, this kid did it in print which makes it a bigger deal. I'm sure that he learned his lesson and this will be another chapter in the book that is his life. We all do things that when we look back think that maybe we would have done differently. I imagine this will be one of those times for this lad. It's seriously time to move on. LHKMAN,

I must say that I laughed when Cheney told Leahy to F off….and you are right the left was outraged and the right didn’t care. Tables turned and the opposite is true. It’s hard to keep up with all of the hypocrisy…

Then again, this kid did it in print which makes it a bigger deal. I’m sure that he learned his lesson and this will be another chapter in the book that is his life. We all do things that when we look back think that maybe we would have done differently. I imagine this will be one of those times for this lad. It’s seriously time to move on.

]]> By: dennis hammond http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-515 dennis hammond Fri, 05 Oct 2007 22:08:20 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-515 Jim, I found this assertion of journalistic integrity laughable... Todd Klatt provided the yang on the Collegian website: “By allowing him to keep his job the Collegian has not bowed to the pressure of a few offended people ** nor have they traded their free press rights for advertising dollars**. ** A newspaper should never allow their advertisers or the public to dictate their content or their editorial policy.*** OH PLEEEESE!!! If you don't think big money, big advertisers and special interests influence content you DID just fall off the turnip truck!!! Jim,
I found this assertion of journalistic
integrity laughable…

Todd Klatt provided the yang on the Collegian website:

“By allowing him to keep his job the Collegian has not bowed to the pressure of a few offended people ** nor have they traded their free press rights for advertising dollars**.
** A newspaper should never allow their advertisers or the public to dictate their content or their editorial policy.***

OH PLEEEESE!!!

If you don’t think big money, big advertisers
and special interests influence content
you DID just fall off the turnip truck!!!

]]> By: noidea http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-517 noidea Sat, 06 Oct 2007 02:24:45 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-517 Dennis, I 100% agree with you that FOWL language is for chickens.... Dennis,

I 100% agree with you that FOWL language is for chickens….

]]> By: Wildflower http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-518 Wildflower Sat, 06 Oct 2007 04:43:15 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-518 Dennis: McSwane used the FOUL word as a verb.(and perhaps intended an adjective). You used two FOUL words ( N & C) as nouns, that is personal denigration. The last I heard a fowl was a member of the bird family. Dennis: McSwane used the FOUL word as a verb.(and perhaps intended an adjective).
You used two FOUL words ( N & C) as nouns, that is personal denigration.
The last I heard a fowl was a member of the bird family.

]]> By: dennis hammond http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-522 dennis hammond Sat, 06 Oct 2007 17:23:48 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-522 WHAT DID I TELL YOU????? Right out of the LIBERAL HANDBOOK!!! 1) If you can't win the argument change the question. 2) If you can't change question answer a different question 3) If that doesn't work criticize the Grammer, usage or spelling! I wasn't kidding! That is the lame and transparent "debating tactics" these LIBERALS use. THEY NEVER TAKE RESPONSIBIL_ ITY or DEBATE THE ISSUE I REST MY CASE! Spelling has never been my fort, it's memory work, I'm a free, independant thinker. I'll leave the memorization of things to you Wildflower in you're purple haze. As for your defense of this punk up in Fort Collins was it, he should have been canned for showing very poor judgement. That's my point. WHAT DID I TELL YOU?????

Right out of the LIBERAL HANDBOOK!!!

1) If you can’t win the argument change
the question.

2) If you can’t change question answer
a different question

3) If that doesn’t work criticize the
Grammer, usage or spelling!

I wasn’t kidding! That is the lame
and transparent “debating tactics” these
LIBERALS use. THEY NEVER TAKE RESPONSIBIL_
ITY or DEBATE THE ISSUE I REST MY CASE!

Spelling has never been my fort, it’s
memory work, I’m a free, independant
thinker. I’ll leave the memorization
of things to you Wildflower in you’re
purple haze. As for your defense
of this punk up in Fort Collins was it,
he should have been canned for showing
very poor judgement. That’s my point.

]]> By: dennis hammond http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-523 dennis hammond Sat, 06 Oct 2007 17:27:34 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-523 By the way Wildflower, I also used the F word (as a verb) By the way Wildflower, I also used the F
word (as a verb)

]]> By: noidea http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-526 noidea Sun, 07 Oct 2007 14:28:29 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-526 Dennis...it was a joke. Man you are wound up tight... Dennis…it was a joke. Man you are wound up tight…

]]> By: dennis hammond http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-527 dennis hammond Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:50:50 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-527 Of course it was a joke noidea, but it was also a diversion and a tried and true Liberal debating tactic. Change the question, change the issue and of course, make a joke out of it, "Wash his mouth out with soap" Another debating tactic is selective outrage. they're all transparent. Tell me, what is it that "winds up" Liberals? Not being "In control" mostly. Let's see how humerous you are the next time something pisses you off. Of course it was a joke noidea, but
it was also a diversion and a tried
and true Liberal debating tactic.
Change the question, change the issue
and of course, make a joke out of it,
“Wash his mouth out with soap”
Another debating tactic is selective
outrage. they’re all transparent.
Tell me, what is it that “winds up”
Liberals? Not being “In control”
mostly. Let’s see how humerous you
are the next time something pisses
you off.

]]> By: durf786 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-532 durf786 Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:47:54 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-532 It is interesting how dennis hammond uses "liberal" as an epithet. I don't see liberals use "conservative" as an epithet. Besides, when you get down to it, "conservative" means someone who is interested in money and power, and "liberal" means someone who is interested in people. Where is the invective in that? It is interesting how dennis hammond uses “liberal” as an epithet. I don’t see liberals use “conservative” as an epithet.

Besides, when you get down to it, “conservative” means someone who is interested in money and power, and “liberal” means someone who is interested in people.

Where is the invective in that?

]]> By: dennis hammond http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-536 dennis hammond Tue, 09 Oct 2007 05:37:47 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-536 Not true, Conservatives want people to be independant and self reliant, not beholden to the power elite and Government. They want them to be educated and employed not welfare recipiants. Conservatives want people to be self- sufficient not helpless. Liberal's stock and trade is creating constituants who are helpless and dependant and who feel entitled. This empowers the elite and creates the need for more government, keeps the Liberal elite in Power. Liberals do a disservice to peole. A good example is Bill and Hillary Clinton. You think they care about people? Give me a break. So tell me, who cares MORE about people, Conservatives or Liberals? I say Conservatives. Not true, Conservatives want people to be
independant and self reliant, not beholden
to the power elite and Government. They want
them to be educated and employed not welfare
recipiants.
Conservatives want people to be self-
sufficient not helpless.

Liberal’s stock and trade is creating
constituants who are helpless and dependant
and who feel entitled. This empowers the
elite and creates the need for more
government, keeps the Liberal elite in Power.
Liberals do a disservice to peole. A good
example is Bill and Hillary Clinton. You
think they care about people? Give me a
break. So tell me, who cares MORE about
people, Conservatives or Liberals? I say
Conservatives.

]]> By: noidea http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-538 noidea Tue, 09 Oct 2007 06:16:27 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-538 oh yeah...courtesy of Jim Spencer...apologist for the REAL Xenophobic non accepting, no free speech, no worker rights, labor exploiting, racist, bigoted, class partitioned REPUBLIC OF MEXICO>>>>>>>>>> Not the USA, which is the accepting, free speech, labor protected, Immigrant accepting (contrary to Jim), non racist, free market economy that we enjoy........ Move to Mexico and enjoy your life. oh yeah…courtesy of Jim Spencer…apologist for the REAL Xenophobic non accepting, no free speech, no worker rights, labor exploiting, racist, bigoted, class partitioned REPUBLIC OF MEXICO>>>>>>>>>> Not the USA, which is the accepting, free speech, labor protected, Immigrant accepting (contrary to Jim), non racist, free market economy that we enjoy……..

Move to Mexico and enjoy your life.

]]> By: Jim Spencer http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-539 Jim Spencer Tue, 09 Oct 2007 17:00:00 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-539 Guys, The F-bomb may have been printed in the CSU student paper. But I am not going to let it be printed in the comments section on this website. If I see it, the comment gets nuked. You guys are smart and articulate enough to make your points and show your passion without resorting to profanity. Guys,

The F-bomb may have been printed in the CSU student paper. But I am not going to let it be printed in the comments section on this website. If I see it, the comment gets nuked. You guys are smart and articulate enough to make your points and show your passion without resorting to profanity.

]]> By: dennis hammond http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-540 dennis hammond Tue, 09 Oct 2007 17:02:31 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-540 noidea. What the hell are you talking about? Really, I mean huh? noidea. What the hell are you talking
about? Really, I mean huh?

]]> By: dennis hammond http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-541 dennis hammond Tue, 09 Oct 2007 17:12:34 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-541 Ah Yeah,*%^$! and So is the CSU student newpaper, capable of dignified public discourse, on it's editorial page!(or should be held to some journalistic standard) Jim Spencer understands the value of sensible, adult, public debate. This incident (the F bomb) has been just another example of the childishness often exhibited by the Left when they don't get their way. A tantrum. This punk editor shouldn't be cannonized like some civil rights leader. I saw his face on the front of Westword, big deal. Ah Yeah,*%^$! and So is the CSU student
newpaper, capable of dignified public
discourse, on it’s editorial page!(or
should be held to some journalistic
standard) Jim Spencer
understands the value of sensible, adult,
public debate. This incident (the F bomb)
has been just another example of the
childishness often exhibited by the Left
when they don’t get their way. A tantrum.
This punk editor shouldn’t be cannonized
like some civil rights leader. I saw his
face on the front of Westword, big deal.

]]> By: Keith http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-550 Keith Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:39:51 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-550 dennis said, "It (foul language) adds nothing except makes ME look like a dumb jerk." Trust me dennis, you don't need the foul language to look that way. (sorry for using the j-word). Why is it when a progressive uses the F-bomb it's outrage and righties demand they be fired, but when a righty like Cheney with, OK, kind of high placed position uses it, it's OK and hilarious? Hmmmmm. "CONFLICTED" remember that term about righties. Well Jim is the moderator of this comments section but I still see dennis's F, C, and, N-words still hanging there. I guess the software can't filter it, and Jim isn't living up to his promise. Actually dennis foul words don't offend me; just dennis does. Don't you love it when righties listen and call in to left-wing radio shows, or get on progressive comments section to spread their bile. They think they're harassing "us" but in reality, they just prove our points. Thanks dennis, we do care. dennis said, “It (foul language) adds nothing except makes ME look like a dumb jerk.” Trust me dennis, you don’t need the foul language to look that way. (sorry for using the j-word).

Why is it when a progressive uses the F-bomb it’s outrage and righties demand they be fired, but when a righty like Cheney with, OK, kind of high placed position uses it, it’s OK and hilarious? Hmmmmm. “CONFLICTED” remember that term about righties.

Well Jim is the moderator of this comments section but I still see dennis’s F, C, and, N-words still hanging there. I guess the software can’t filter it, and Jim isn’t living up to his promise.

Actually dennis foul words don’t offend me; just dennis does. Don’t you love it when righties listen and call in to left-wing radio shows, or get on progressive comments section to spread their bile. They think they’re harassing “us” but in reality, they just prove our points. Thanks dennis, we do care.

]]> By: dennis hammond http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-575 dennis hammond Thu, 11 Oct 2007 23:01:24 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-575 What fun would it be without me? You know Socrates used to argue both sides just for fun. I think Cheney is part of an international conspiracy I'm reading a book called Earth's Next Fifty years by Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. It involves Cheney's connection with BAE a British Military Mega Corporation. Cheney made himself look like a jerk using bad language I agree that we have bigger fish to fry than curse words. I'll get back to you on Cheney. What fun would it be without me? You
know Socrates used to argue both sides
just for fun. I think Cheney is part of
an international conspiracy I’m reading
a book called Earth’s Next Fifty years
by Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. It involves
Cheney’s connection with BAE a British
Military Mega Corporation. Cheney made
himself look like a jerk using bad language
I agree that we have bigger fish to fry
than curse words. I’ll get back to you
on Cheney.

]]> By: dennis hammond http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-618 dennis hammond Sun, 14 Oct 2007 18:58:37 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/10/05/student-editor-who-survived-f-bomb-needs-to-mature/#comment-618 By the way Keith, I'm the teacher pet that's why my cursing is allowed in the blog. By the way Keith,

I’m the teacher pet that’s why my cursing
is allowed in the blog.

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