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		<title>By: dennis hammond</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/09/19/real-answer-to-mortgage-crisis-lies-in-delayed-gratification/#comment-372</link>
		<author>dennis hammond</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I see Jim continues to tow the line
    on the mortgage default issue.  That being
    that the "problem" all hinges on the bogy
    man called subprime loans.  WRONG!

    The subprime companies made their profits
    during the last 10 years, they did very
    well.  When property values started to
    adjust, as they should, since real estate
    has been rediculously overpriced in many
    markets since the late 90's, the subprime
    companies cut and ran.

    The dirty truth is that most forclosed 
    loans are FHA or VA loans, that is insured
    by the taxpayers.  Nobody wants to talk
    about the fact that as Washington has tried
    to cram the idea that EVERYBODY is entitled
    to own a home down our throats, it is 
    government insured loans which have
    loosened the underwriting, credit and down
    paymentment requirements to irresponsible
    levels.  FHA and VA has become a no down
    payment loan with lax credit requirements
    and lax income requirements.  The result?
    Rampant foreclosures on Taxpayer insured
    loans.  Many never have a payment made 
    before they go into foreclosure.  But 
    lenders and Realtors have already made
    their commissions.  And guess what? They
    can turn around and sell the property all
    over again to the next unqualified buyer.

    Take a look at he FHA "Preforeclosure 
    program"  for instance.  Under this program
    the homeowner on the verge of foreclosure
    gets and incentive (from you the taxpayer)
    of $500 to sell his home on which he is
    at least three monthes behind on the 
    payment.  The Realtor only has to pay the
    BANK 82% of the CURRENT APPRAISED VALUE
    which these days is LESS THAN THE CURRENT
    MORTGAGE BALANCE.  This results in a 
    DEFICIENTCY of around 20 to 40%!  On a
    $200,000 loan were talking about $40,000
    to $80,000 which YOU THE TAXPAYER have to
    pay the BANK for the borrower to get out
    from under the loan he/she never should 
    have qualified for in the first place.

    As usual the taxpayer picks up the cost
    of bad policy and they don't even know
    they're getting screwed.  This is called
    government waste and corruption.

    Now these idiots want to allow YOU THE 
    TAXPAYER to underwrite and insure even 
    MORE bad loans!  You're getting screwed
    and even SPENCER isn't allowed to tell you!

    dennis hammond</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see Jim continues to tow the line<br />
    on the mortgage default issue.  That being<br />
    that the &#8220;problem&#8221; all hinges on the bogy<br />
    man called subprime loans.  WRONG!</p>
<p>    The subprime companies made their profits<br />
    during the last 10 years, they did very<br />
    well.  When property values started to<br />
    adjust, as they should, since real estate<br />
    has been rediculously overpriced in many<br />
    markets since the late 90&#8217;s, the subprime<br />
    companies cut and ran.</p>
<p>    The dirty truth is that most forclosed<br />
    loans are FHA or VA loans, that is insured<br />
    by the taxpayers.  Nobody wants to talk<br />
    about the fact that as Washington has tried<br />
    to cram the idea that EVERYBODY is entitled<br />
    to own a home down our throats, it is<br />
    government insured loans which have<br />
    loosened the underwriting, credit and down<br />
    paymentment requirements to irresponsible<br />
    levels.  FHA and VA has become a no down<br />
    payment loan with lax credit requirements<br />
    and lax income requirements.  The result?<br />
    Rampant foreclosures on Taxpayer insured<br />
    loans.  Many never have a payment made<br />
    before they go into foreclosure.  But<br />
    lenders and Realtors have already made<br />
    their commissions.  And guess what? They<br />
    can turn around and sell the property all<br />
    over again to the next unqualified buyer.</p>
<p>    Take a look at he FHA &#8220;Preforeclosure<br />
    program&#8221;  for instance.  Under this program<br />
    the homeowner on the verge of foreclosure<br />
    gets and incentive (from you the taxpayer)<br />
    of $500 to sell his home on which he is<br />
    at least three monthes behind on the<br />
    payment.  The Realtor only has to pay the<br />
    BANK 82% of the CURRENT APPRAISED VALUE<br />
    which these days is LESS THAN THE CURRENT<br />
    MORTGAGE BALANCE.  This results in a<br />
    DEFICIENTCY of around 20 to 40%!  On a<br />
    $200,000 loan were talking about $40,000<br />
    to $80,000 which YOU THE TAXPAYER have to<br />
    pay the BANK for the borrower to get out<br />
    from under the loan he/she never should<br />
    have qualified for in the first place.</p>
<p>    As usual the taxpayer picks up the cost<br />
    of bad policy and they don&#8217;t even know<br />
    they&#8217;re getting screwed.  This is called<br />
    government waste and corruption.</p>
<p>    Now these idiots want to allow YOU THE<br />
    TAXPAYER to underwrite and insure even<br />
    MORE bad loans!  You&#8217;re getting screwed<br />
    and even SPENCER isn&#8217;t allowed to tell you!</p>
<p>    dennis hammond</p>
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		<title>By: noidea</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/09/19/real-answer-to-mortgage-crisis-lies-in-delayed-gratification/#comment-373</link>
		<author>noidea</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Jim,

I encourage you to go and read the bill rather than listen to hearsay as to what it accomplishes.  It does so much more than "raise loan limits and extend terms".  It gets rid of downpayment requirements for FHA loans. Maxine Waters has been pushing this for some time to promote home ownership among those that cannot afford to save for a downpayment.  It actually loosens the lending requirements that you have been promoting.  Read it Jim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<p>I encourage you to go and read the bill rather than listen to hearsay as to what it accomplishes.  It does so much more than &#8220;raise loan limits and extend terms&#8221;.  It gets rid of downpayment requirements for FHA loans. Maxine Waters has been pushing this for some time to promote home ownership among those that cannot afford to save for a downpayment.  It actually loosens the lending requirements that you have been promoting.  Read it Jim.</p>
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		<title>By: dennis hammond</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/09/19/real-answer-to-mortgage-crisis-lies-in-delayed-gratification/#comment-374</link>
		<author>dennis hammond</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Jim,
   
   Maxine waters.  Yeah that's someone I want
   handling my checkbook.  As for any Change
   to FHA underwriting or "down payment requirements" as I stated, they've already 
  turned the program into a "Giveaway for the
  POOR!"  You can call FHA--Subsidized housing
  for the poor and unqualified.  Noidea clearly
  identified the agenda of the American 
  Socialist Party (Democrats)  "From each
  according to their ability- to each according
  to their need"  and a free house at taxpayer
  expense.

  Thanks for aptly clarifying that Noidea!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<p>   Maxine waters.  Yeah that&#8217;s someone I want<br />
   handling my checkbook.  As for any Change<br />
   to FHA underwriting or &#8220;down payment requirements&#8221; as I stated, they&#8217;ve already<br />
  turned the program into a &#8220;Giveaway for the<br />
  POOR!&#8221;  You can call FHA&#8211;Subsidized housing<br />
  for the poor and unqualified.  Noidea clearly<br />
  identified the agenda of the American<br />
  Socialist Party (Democrats)  &#8220;From each<br />
  according to their ability- to each according<br />
  to their need&#8221;  and a free house at taxpayer<br />
  expense.</p>
<p>  Thanks for aptly clarifying that Noidea!</p>
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		<title>By: noidea</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/09/19/real-answer-to-mortgage-crisis-lies-in-delayed-gratification/#comment-375</link>
		<author>noidea</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>So Jim, on this one..if it is a campaign issue you clearly would come down on the side of the Republicans that voted against the bill.  The Dems who voted for the bill in Colorado see no need for down payment...obviously against your opinion of skimping and saving and "delayed gratification" .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Jim, on this one..if it is a campaign issue you clearly would come down on the side of the Republicans that voted against the bill.  The Dems who voted for the bill in Colorado see no need for down payment&#8230;obviously against your opinion of skimping and saving and &#8220;delayed gratification&#8221; .</p>
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		<title>By: durf786</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/09/19/real-answer-to-mortgage-crisis-lies-in-delayed-gratification/#comment-376</link>
		<author>durf786</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 00:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>What is most interesting about your editorial is your conclusion that what is necessary is for people to get smarter. Well, yeah!

Ultimately, the inevitable result of any democracy is mediocrity. "Return to the mean" rules. Of course, even as people do get smarter (if they do, which certainly wasn't apparent in the last election), the mean simply rises and we have the same problem.

What's the solution? Drink. Do drugs. Fry your brain. Don't worry!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is most interesting about your editorial is your conclusion that what is necessary is for people to get smarter. Well, yeah!</p>
<p>Ultimately, the inevitable result of any democracy is mediocrity. &#8220;Return to the mean&#8221; rules. Of course, even as people do get smarter (if they do, which certainly wasn&#8217;t apparent in the last election), the mean simply rises and we have the same problem.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the solution? Drink. Do drugs. Fry your brain. Don&#8217;t worry!</p>
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		<title>By: dennis hammond</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/09/19/real-answer-to-mortgage-crisis-lies-in-delayed-gratification/#comment-378</link>
		<author>dennis hammond</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 00:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/09/19/real-answer-to-mortgage-crisis-lies-in-delayed-gratification/#comment-378</guid>
					<description>Jim, 

 As a mortgage professional with seventeen 
  years experience in the Denver metro real
  estate market, I can tell you the loan 
  underwriting and qualification process 
  exists not only to protect the investors or
  taxpayers but also the prospective borrower
  or home buyer.  The traditional 
  qualification process determines if the 
  prospective home buyers are ready and 
  capable to engage in home ownership and
  the disipline and responsibility which 
  accompanies this significant undertaking.

  Borrowers were rated on five categories:

  1) acceptable credit history:
     First time homebuyers were scrutinized
     specifically 
  2) adequate income: 
     debt to income ratios include the 
     proposed mortgage and all installment 
     debt and revolving debt (like credit 
     cards) Income was documented with paystubs
     and W-2's not simply stated on the ap.
  3) Time on the job:
     In the past, two years of consistent 
     employment was the minimum requirement,
     employment gaps had to be adequately 
     explained (for self employed it was FIVE
     years with NO decline in income.)
 
  4) Down payment: 
     An adequate down payment had to be in the
     bank, documented and SEASONED indicating
     that the borrowers SAVED the down payment
     from their income. 3 to 10% of the sales 
     price was the norm.  First time
     homebuyers were never allowed less than a
     10% down on conventional financing, 3%
     for FHA.  Gifts toward down payments were
     limited.

  5) Reserves:
     Borrowers had to document that after 
     closing they had in the bank 6 months 
     worth of payments, just in case their 
     income was disrupted or the borrowers were
     laid off or fired from their jobs.

  These underwriting criteria have largely been
  replaced by what are called "Stated income"
  loans for conventional financing and in 
  many cases automated underwriting on both
  conventional and Government loans.
 
  The net effect is much less scrutiny and
  much lower qualification requirements. These
  criteria are not PUNITIVE they serve to 
  determine if borrowers are SUITED for home
  ownership or if they are very likely to go
  into foreclosure.  Forclosure serves no one
  except those who profit from "Churning" 
  foreclosure inventories.

  Throwing common sense underwriting out the
  window to lower the bar for prospective home
  buyers is akin to throwing the baby out with
  the bath water and has served to send 
  default rates through the roof and cost 
  taxpayers a fortune.

  A fact of life is if you don't meet the 
  qualifications for loan approval you 
  aren't cut out for homeownership.
  And as a matter of fact not everyone is 
  responsible enough, stable enough or has
  adequate earning power to buy a home.
  And that's just the way it is, despite how
  hard liberals and politicians seeks votes 
  might close their eyes and wish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, </p>
<p> As a mortgage professional with seventeen<br />
  years experience in the Denver metro real<br />
  estate market, I can tell you the loan<br />
  underwriting and qualification process<br />
  exists not only to protect the investors or<br />
  taxpayers but also the prospective borrower<br />
  or home buyer.  The traditional<br />
  qualification process determines if the<br />
  prospective home buyers are ready and<br />
  capable to engage in home ownership and<br />
  the disipline and responsibility which<br />
  accompanies this significant undertaking.</p>
<p>  Borrowers were rated on five categories:</p>
<p>  1) acceptable credit history:<br />
     First time homebuyers were scrutinized<br />
     specifically<br />
  2) adequate income:<br />
     debt to income ratios include the<br />
     proposed mortgage and all installment<br />
     debt and revolving debt (like credit<br />
     cards) Income was documented with paystubs<br />
     and W-2&#8217;s not simply stated on the ap.<br />
  3) Time on the job:<br />
     In the past, two years of consistent<br />
     employment was the minimum requirement,<br />
     employment gaps had to be adequately<br />
     explained (for self employed it was FIVE<br />
     years with NO decline in income.)</p>
<p>  4) Down payment:<br />
     An adequate down payment had to be in the<br />
     bank, documented and SEASONED indicating<br />
     that the borrowers SAVED the down payment<br />
     from their income. 3 to 10% of the sales<br />
     price was the norm.  First time<br />
     homebuyers were never allowed less than a<br />
     10% down on conventional financing, 3%<br />
     for FHA.  Gifts toward down payments were<br />
     limited.</p>
<p>  5) Reserves:<br />
     Borrowers had to document that after<br />
     closing they had in the bank 6 months<br />
     worth of payments, just in case their<br />
     income was disrupted or the borrowers were<br />
     laid off or fired from their jobs.</p>
<p>  These underwriting criteria have largely been<br />
  replaced by what are called &#8220;Stated income&#8221;<br />
  loans for conventional financing and in<br />
  many cases automated underwriting on both<br />
  conventional and Government loans.</p>
<p>  The net effect is much less scrutiny and<br />
  much lower qualification requirements. These<br />
  criteria are not PUNITIVE they serve to<br />
  determine if borrowers are SUITED for home<br />
  ownership or if they are very likely to go<br />
  into foreclosure.  Forclosure serves no one<br />
  except those who profit from &#8220;Churning&#8221;<br />
  foreclosure inventories.</p>
<p>  Throwing common sense underwriting out the<br />
  window to lower the bar for prospective home<br />
  buyers is akin to throwing the baby out with<br />
  the bath water and has served to send<br />
  default rates through the roof and cost<br />
  taxpayers a fortune.</p>
<p>  A fact of life is if you don&#8217;t meet the<br />
  qualifications for loan approval you<br />
  aren&#8217;t cut out for homeownership.<br />
  And as a matter of fact not everyone is<br />
  responsible enough, stable enough or has<br />
  adequate earning power to buy a home.<br />
  And that&#8217;s just the way it is, despite how<br />
  hard liberals and politicians seeks votes<br />
  might close their eyes and wish.</p>
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		<title>By: Wildflower</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/09/19/real-answer-to-mortgage-crisis-lies-in-delayed-gratification/#comment-379</link>
		<author>Wildflower</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 01:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I don't believe many lenders checked the criteria for homeownership as well as Dennis.
I began seeing signs a few years ago" no down, no qualifying." There were clearly very poor judgments made by the lending industry. And it was all over the internet and junk mail and t.v., "refinance, 2nd mortgages,pay off bills, remodel"..  Sadly, many people fell into this trap and siphoned their equity. The ARM mortgages took too many of them by surprise when they did just that, adjusted the rates, higher of course.
What do we do now, let more homes go into foreclosure, devaluing the property of everyone else? Or try to help them keep their homes? I know, responsible taxpayers pay either way.
And how many banks have loaned money to scrape off and build the McMansions that are sitting in SE Denver now, most of them empty? Since they are priced upwards of $1,000,000, how many people who work in Denver can really afford them?
There is a gaping hole in the ground 2 blks. from me, the contractor scraped, but noone built. And there are 2 McMansions with for sale signs in the next block.
The banks are going to take another tumble on these spec homes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe many lenders checked the criteria for homeownership as well as Dennis.<br />
I began seeing signs a few years ago&#8221; no down, no qualifying.&#8221; There were clearly very poor judgments made by the lending industry. And it was all over the internet and junk mail and t.v., &#8220;refinance, 2nd mortgages,pay off bills, remodel&#8221;..  Sadly, many people fell into this trap and siphoned their equity. The ARM mortgages took too many of them by surprise when they did just that, adjusted the rates, higher of course.<br />
What do we do now, let more homes go into foreclosure, devaluing the property of everyone else? Or try to help them keep their homes? I know, responsible taxpayers pay either way.<br />
And how many banks have loaned money to scrape off and build the McMansions that are sitting in SE Denver now, most of them empty? Since they are priced upwards of $1,000,000, how many people who work in Denver can really afford them?<br />
There is a gaping hole in the ground 2 blks. from me, the contractor scraped, but noone built. And there are 2 McMansions with for sale signs in the next block.<br />
The banks are going to take another tumble on these spec homes.</p>
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		<title>By: sandyhaga</title>
		<link>http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/09/19/real-answer-to-mortgage-crisis-lies-in-delayed-gratification/#comment-403</link>
		<author>sandyhaga</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Things will never get better until people have to PROVE they have the income to support the loan they are after.
And MUST have at least 10-20% down in cash assets.
Seems the way to go these days is to buy what you cannot afford no matter the consequences and not take the time to work your way up to a larger better home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Things will never get better until people have to PROVE they have the income to support the loan they are after.<br />
And MUST have at least 10-20% down in cash assets.<br />
Seems the way to go these days is to buy what you cannot afford no matter the consequences and not take the time to work your way up to a larger better home.</p>
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