Comments on: Denial of In-state Tuition Costs Immigrants’ Children Dearly http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/08/05/denial-of-in-state-tuition-costs-immigrants-children-dearly/ Here are my thoughts; share yours Tue, 06 Jan 2009 07:31:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1 By: Anoldguy1944 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/08/05/denial-of-in-state-tuition-costs-immigrants-children-dearly/#comment-147 Anoldguy1944 Mon, 06 Aug 2007 04:58:34 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/08/05/denial-of-in-state-tuition-costs-immigrants-children-dearly/#comment-147 Punishing the children for the sins (if you assume that arriving here illegally is a sin, and I can understand that view) of their parents is not just unconstitutional, though it certainly IS unconstitutional by any reasonable reading of that document, it's a particularly and peculiarly specific form of cruel and unusual punishment, since most of the children discriminated against will have parents who understand all too clearly what's being done to their children. “That doesn’t just make the practice wrong. It makes it intolerable.” Yes indeed, and it also makes it despicable. Punishing the children for the sins (if you assume that arriving here illegally is a sin, and I can understand that view) of their parents is not just unconstitutional, though it certainly IS unconstitutional by any reasonable reading of that document, it’s a particularly and peculiarly specific form of cruel and unusual punishment, since most of the children discriminated against will have parents who understand all too clearly what’s being done to their children.

“That doesn’t just make the practice wrong. It makes it intolerable.” Yes indeed, and it also makes it despicable.

]]> By: toohip http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/08/05/denial-of-in-state-tuition-costs-immigrants-children-dearly/#comment-149 toohip Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:33:27 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/08/05/denial-of-in-state-tuition-costs-immigrants-children-dearly/#comment-149 "the sins of the parent" is a good argument, and place to start righting this injustice. But anti-illegal ilk are going to use the "paying state taxes" as their cover for this. We know illegals in "regular" jobs do pay state and fed taxes, but don't file tax returns, even with refunds due, to avoid detection. If there's a way they can prove they paid state, even property taxes, over the minimum requirement for state residents, wouldn't that suffice? “the sins of the parent” is a good argument, and place to start righting this injustice. But anti-illegal ilk are going to use the “paying state taxes” as their cover for this. We know illegals in “regular” jobs do pay state and fed taxes, but don’t file tax returns, even with refunds due, to avoid detection. If there’s a way they can prove they paid state, even property taxes, over the minimum requirement for state residents, wouldn’t that suffice?

]]> By: Wildflower http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/08/05/denial-of-in-state-tuition-costs-immigrants-children-dearly/#comment-150 Wildflower Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:46:18 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/08/05/denial-of-in-state-tuition-costs-immigrants-children-dearly/#comment-150 With the high minority drop-out rate in our failing public schools, one wonders how many people this actually has an effect on. According to the tuition guidelines, if the students were EMANCIPATED there would be no problem because if they are born here they are indeed legal citizens. Perhaps that is the key. The millions of illegal immigrants have vastly impacted our country, schools, decent-paying jobs, etc and looking to the future it will be a nightmare to our social security and medical systems if they are granted automatic citizenship. But one should NOT punish people who are citizens, but rather admire these young people who want to improve themselves through college.Past history shows that the 2nd generation pulls themselves up. It's the American way! With the high minority drop-out rate in our failing public schools, one wonders how many people this actually has an effect on. According to the tuition guidelines, if the students were EMANCIPATED there would be no problem because if they are born here they are indeed legal citizens. Perhaps that is the key.
The millions of illegal immigrants have vastly impacted our country, schools, decent-paying jobs, etc and looking to the future it will be a nightmare to our social security and medical systems if they are granted automatic citizenship. But one should NOT punish people who are citizens, but rather admire these young people who want to improve themselves through college.Past history shows that the 2nd generation pulls themselves up. It’s the American way!

]]> By: Newport News Reader http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/08/05/denial-of-in-state-tuition-costs-immigrants-children-dearly/#comment-151 Newport News Reader Mon, 06 Aug 2007 19:07:14 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/08/05/denial-of-in-state-tuition-costs-immigrants-children-dearly/#comment-151 Another example of "no easy solution" to a tough problem. I agree with you on this one, though, children born here should not have to pay for their "fathers' sins"...something like this will just perpetuate the "curses of the generation" (since we're being Biblical). If people want to help themselves, it is crazy to put roadblocks in their way....this is certainly not a productive way to deal with illegal immigration. Another example of “no easy solution” to a tough problem. I agree with you on this one, though, children born here should not have to pay for their “fathers’ sins”…something like this will just perpetuate the “curses of the generation” (since we’re being Biblical). If people want to help themselves, it is crazy to put roadblocks in their way….this is certainly not a productive way to deal with illegal immigration.

]]> By: Stuart R Brann http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/08/05/denial-of-in-state-tuition-costs-immigrants-children-dearly/#comment-152 Stuart R Brann Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:10:28 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/08/05/denial-of-in-state-tuition-costs-immigrants-children-dearly/#comment-152 Isn't there someone --and a retired-on-Social Security can't do it-- who can front a suit on the constitutionality of this business? Isn’t there someone –and a retired-on-Social Security can’t do it– who can front a suit on the constitutionality of this business?

]]> By: noidea http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/08/05/denial-of-in-state-tuition-costs-immigrants-children-dearly/#comment-154 noidea Tue, 07 Aug 2007 16:53:39 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/08/05/denial-of-in-state-tuition-costs-immigrants-children-dearly/#comment-154 Again, it's ridiculous to charge a legal resident of the State of Colorado out of state tuition. The parents are separate entities and their status should not be considered in this matter. IT IS JUST COMMON SENSE. It's like saying my mother and father are felons so I am not allowed to vote. Again, it’s ridiculous to charge a legal resident of the State of Colorado out of state tuition. The parents are separate entities and their status should not be considered in this matter. IT IS JUST COMMON SENSE. It’s like saying my mother and father are felons so I am not allowed to vote.

]]> By: sentido http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/08/05/denial-of-in-state-tuition-costs-immigrants-children-dearly/#comment-182 sentido Sun, 19 Aug 2007 10:40:32 +0000 http://spencerspeaks.com/2007/08/05/denial-of-in-state-tuition-costs-immigrants-children-dearly/#comment-182 If the children are here illegally, they cannot by definition be Colorado residents. As such, they have no right to in-state tuition, and should not receive the subsidy. If the children are here legally and are over the age of 18, they become emancipated minors and as such, are entitled to in-state tuition. I honestly don't see the problem here. If the children are here illegally, they cannot by definition be Colorado residents. As such, they have no right to in-state tuition, and should not receive the subsidy.

If the children are here legally and are over the age of 18, they become emancipated minors and as such, are entitled to in-state tuition.

I honestly don’t see the problem here.

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